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  • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
    No, I mean insensate fetuses without a functioning brain as compared to actual real live children suffering because of heartless policies enacted by a racist president pandering to his racist base by trying to look tough on brown-skinned asylum seekers.



    "Child abuse" is the forced separation of children from their mothers.

    Do you realise that the “suffering" to which you refer, was because these mothers were escaping: “The killing of a loved one. An attempt at gang recruitment. A rape. Harassment by a police officer. A death threat over an outstanding extortion payment. Amid the justified uproar at the Trump administration’s policies on America’s southern border, often lost are the reasons many Central Americans leave their homes, and are prepared to brave the perils of the journey north, in the first place. “

    https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ration/563744/

    Do you care?



    There is no law that mandates separating children from their parents. Trump’s own administration devised a policy to that effect.
    We have rapes, murders, gangs and police harassment right here Tassy. They aren't escaping anything. And when it happens here, you don't see people running off to another country, dragging their children through the desert, do you?

    If they need asylum, they can apply for it like everyone else.

    and yes the law does say that the children have to be separated. Why do you think the democrats wanted Trump to sign an executive order stopping it? Because THEY (congress) were the ones who passed the law in the first place and now they are passing the buck. The law says that children cannot be placed in jail. And the law says that anyone breaking the law by crossing the border is arrested. Do the math.

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    • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      We have rapes, murders, gangs and police harassment right here Tassy. They aren't escaping anything. And when it happens here, you don't see people running off to another country, dragging their children through the desert, do you?

      If they need asylum, they can apply for it like everyone else.

      and yes the law does say that the children have to be separated. Why do you think the democrats wanted Trump to sign an executive order stopping it? Because THEY (congress) were the ones who passed the law in the first place and now they are passing the buck. The law says that children cannot be placed in jail. And the law says that anyone breaking the law by crossing the border is arrested. Do the math.
      It's funny seeing Tass get so righteously indignant considering his own country's policies toward illegal immigrants including forcibly turning them around at sea (they're often in rickety water-logged boats that will lucky to be able to make the long return trip to places like Indonesia, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka overloaded with their human cargo) or sending asylum seekers to detention camps on remote Pacific islands


      From NBC News (not exactly an outpost of conservatives):

      Source: Australia Houses Migrants in 'Degrading' Offshore Detention Camps


      President Donald Trump’s reported rift with Australia's leader over a deal to resettle refugees has shone a spotlight on the country's controversial program which sees thousands of migrants kept offshore on detention islands.

      But these places in the Pacific Ocean are not tropical paradises: Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, along with the U.N. refugee agency UNHCR say conditions on the islands are deplorable.

      In an effort to clamp down on illegal smugglers and to decrease the number of migrant deaths at sea, the government of Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull won't accept any asylum seekers, migrants or refugees who arrive by boat.

      Instead, it intercepts such vessels and sends them to remote Manus Island, in Papua New Guinea, as well as the world’s smallest independent republic, the impoverished island nation of Nauru.

      Australia pays Nauru and Papua New Guinea to house the migrants there and then works with UNHCR to find countries that will resettle them.

      Rights groups say the camps are "prison-like": hot, overcrowded, unhygienic and dangerous. Human Rights Watch reported that refugees and asylum seekers on both islands faced physical abuse, including sexual assault and rape.

      One of the U.N.’s top ranking officials on migrant human rights, Francois Crepeau, said that the conditions on Nauru, were “cruel, inhuman and degrading.”

      Almost 2,000 asylum seekers and refugees have ended up in limbo at the two island detention centers, languishing there for years as they wait for the lengthy UNHCR vetting process to complete.

      Rights groups also report that conditions are so bad that many asylum seekers and refugees have developed mental health problems as a result of their lengthy captivity there — suicide attempts are frequent as well as cases of self-harm. There have also been multiple instances of refugees setting themselves on fire as a form of protest over Australia’s policies, according to the Associated Press.

      Many of the refugees being held come from Iraq and Iran — two of the Muslim-majority nations among the seven countries whose citizens are currently barred from entering the U.S. for at least 90 days under the executive order signed by Trump last week.

      And they are expensive for Australia to maintain, it costs Australia $400,000 per refugee, per year to house them on the islands, according to a September 2016 report by UNICEF.

      In October 2016, Turnbull announced an ever stricter policy aimed at smugglers that bans any refugee who has tried to reach Australia by boat since 2013 from ever coming to Australia.

      “They must know that the door to Australia is closed to those who seek to come here by boat with a people smuggler, it is closed,” Turnbull told a press conference on Oct. 30, 2016. "Those passengers will never settle in this country."



      Source

      © Copyright Original Source



      It should be noted that it was the Keating Government (run by the Australian Labor Party: a democratic socialist party) which created a policy of mandatory detention of unauthorized arrivals.

      One of the key architects of this system, Paris Aristotle, has changed his mind, describing Australia’s offshore detention camps as "terrible." In an article in The Guardian describing his change of heart it mentions how

      Nauru and Manus Island were both reopened in 2012 and have been plagued by allegations of violence, including murder; sexual predation of men, women and, in particular, children; medical neglect leading to death; high rates of suicide and self-harm; and other human rights abuses.


      The saying about people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones comes to mind

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        It's funny seeing Tass get so righteously indignant considering his own country's policies toward illegal immigrants including forcibly turning them around at sea (they're often in rickety water-logged boats that will lucky to be able to make the long return trip to places like Indonesia, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka overloaded with their human cargo) or sending asylum seekers to detention camps on remote Pacific islands

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        From NBC News (not exactly an outpost of conservatives):

        Source: Australia Houses Migrants in 'Degrading' Offshore Detention Camps


        President Donald Trump’s reported rift with Australia's leader over a deal to resettle refugees has shone a spotlight on the country's controversial program which sees thousands of migrants kept offshore on detention islands.

        But these places in the Pacific Ocean are not tropical paradises: Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, along with the U.N. refugee agency UNHCR say conditions on the islands are deplorable.

        In an effort to clamp down on illegal smugglers and to decrease the number of migrant deaths at sea, the government of Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull won't accept any asylum seekers, migrants or refugees who arrive by boat.

        Instead, it intercepts such vessels and sends them to remote Manus Island, in Papua New Guinea, as well as the world’s smallest independent republic, the impoverished island nation of Nauru.

        Australia pays Nauru and Papua New Guinea to house the migrants there and then works with UNHCR to find countries that will resettle them.

        Rights groups say the camps are "prison-like": hot, overcrowded, unhygienic and dangerous. Human Rights Watch reported that refugees and asylum seekers on both islands faced physical abuse, including sexual assault and rape.

        One of the U.N.’s top ranking officials on migrant human rights, Francois Crepeau, said that the conditions on Nauru, were “cruel, inhuman and degrading.”

        Almost 2,000 asylum seekers and refugees have ended up in limbo at the two island detention centers, languishing there for years as they wait for the lengthy UNHCR vetting process to complete.

        Rights groups also report that conditions are so bad that many asylum seekers and refugees have developed mental health problems as a result of their lengthy captivity there — suicide attempts are frequent as well as cases of self-harm. There have also been multiple instances of refugees setting themselves on fire as a form of protest over Australia’s policies, according to the Associated Press.

        Many of the refugees being held come from Iraq and Iran — two of the Muslim-majority nations among the seven countries whose citizens are currently barred from entering the U.S. for at least 90 days under the executive order signed by Trump last week.

        And they are expensive for Australia to maintain, it costs Australia $400,000 per refugee, per year to house them on the islands, according to a September 2016 report by UNICEF.

        In October 2016, Turnbull announced an ever stricter policy aimed at smugglers that bans any refugee who has tried to reach Australia by boat since 2013 from ever coming to Australia.

        “They must know that the door to Australia is closed to those who seek to come here by boat with a people smuggler, it is closed,” Turnbull told a press conference on Oct. 30, 2016. "Those passengers will never settle in this country."



        Source

        © Copyright Original Source



        It should be noted that it was the Keating Government (run by the Australian Labor Party: a democratic socialist party) which created a policy of mandatory detention of unauthorized arrivals.

        One of the key architects of this system, Paris Aristotle, has changed his mind, describing Australia’s offshore detention camps as "terrible." In an article in The Guardian describing his change of heart it mentions how

        Nauru and Manus Island were both reopened in 2012 and have been plagued by allegations of violence, including murder; sexual predation of men, women and, in particular, children; medical neglect leading to death; high rates of suicide and self-harm; and other human rights abuses.


        The saying about people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones comes to mind

        I have learned a long time ago that with Tassy it is never actually the issues he brings up. Those are merely a club he tries to use to beat on conservatives with. Mostly he fails in very ironic ways. Like this.


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        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          It's funny seeing Tass get so righteously indignant considering his own country's policies toward illegal immigrants including forcibly turning them around at sea...
          He and Star want SO BADLY to live here and run things.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            He and Star want SO BADLY to live here and run things.
            The US is still a thorn in the side of international Communists, er, I mean progressives...
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • The administration was on track to reunite more than 1,600 families by the deadline, but hundreds more remain separated. And more than 450 parents accused of illegally entering the country have reportedly been deported without their children. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/2...ons/842187002/
              But I guess Obama did the same, or that somehow this is all so good and so much in line with Romans 13, and let's not talk about this from the perspective of the children lets rather throw dirt on the parents, right? I have come to know that this is how many so called Christians see this. Not all, but many.
              "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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              • Originally posted by Charles View Post
                But I guess Obama did the same, or that somehow this is all so good and so much in line with Romans 13, and let's not talk about this from the perspective of the children lets rather throw dirt on the parents, right?
                You're sounding quite a bit like JimL, only with a little more proper spelling and grammar.

                I have come to know that this is how many so called Christians see this. Not all, but many.
                At whom (on this board) are you throwing your little poison arrows? Or did you just feel the need to mindlessly rant?
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  You're sounding quite a bit like JimL, only with a little more proper spelling and grammar.



                  At whom (on this board) are you throwing your little poison arrows? Or did you just feel the need to mindlessly rant?
                  Anyone can go back and see how so called Christians repeatedly neglected the tragedy and refused to hold anyone but the parents accountable. The fact that you are seemingly ignoring this is something that you should perhaps reconsider. Because it is easy to see you are also trying to change subject and you are not pushing for higher moral standards in a situation in which your government is responsible for the continued separation of innocent children from their parents. But it seems something else was more important.
                  "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                  • What's a so called Christian?

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                    • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      What's a so called Christian?
                      Someone who calls himself a Christian but supports ideas and policies that are inhuman or at least tries to neglect or take focus away from those who are really suffering. It has happened a lot in this thread.
                      "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                      • Originally posted by Charles View Post
                        Someone who calls himself a Christian but supports ideas and policies that are inhuman or at least tries to neglect or take focus away from those who are really suffering. It has happened a lot in this thread.
                        Who determines if an idea or policy is actually inhuman or takes focus away from suffering? you?

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                        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          Who determines if an idea or policy is actually inhuman or takes focus away from suffering? you?
                          Children have been separeted from their parents for a very long period now. It is possible some of them will never see their parents again. The fact that you even ask in this situation is a rather good example of taking focus away from real suffering. Thanks for making it so obvious.
                          "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                          • Originally posted by Charles View Post
                            Children have been separeted from their parents for a very long period now. It is possible some of them will never see their parents again. The fact that you even ask in this situation is a rather good example of taking focus away from real suffering. Thanks for making it so obvious.
                            So you are the person who determines if an idea of policy is inhuman then?

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                            • Originally posted by Charles View Post
                              Anyone can go back and see how so called Christians repeatedly neglected the tragedy and refused to hold anyone but the parents accountable.
                              Ah, so you're pulling a JimL --- "go look it up". I'll feel free to ignore the rest of your post, then.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • Originally posted by Charles View Post
                                Someone who calls himself a Christian but supports ideas and policies that are inhuman or at least tries to neglect or take focus away from those who are really suffering. It has happened a lot in this thread.
                                Cite please?
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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