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Originally posted by Roy View PostInteresting detail:
The spokeswoman Ravina Shamdasani said the policy had “led to people caught entering the country irregularly being subjected to criminal prosecution and having their children – including extremely young children – taken away from them as a result”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-from-parents
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Originally posted by Sparko View Posta link would be nice.. seems like even in those cases it was about illegal entry:Any child being taken during a legal seeking of asylum, I do think is wrong.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View Post"Irregular" is not necessarily "illegal". Then it's time to vote...
nevermind
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostInteresting detail:
Essentially the choices are either separate the children from the parents or let the parents skate. Considering that it is hardly uncommon to separate the parents from their children when the parents break the law this looks like a whole lot of selective outrage.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostActually things are much more muddyEssentially the choices are either separate the children from the parents or let the parents skate.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostThey usually are. Choice #3 would be to keep the children detained with the parents in some form of family detainment centre - which makes sense because if the parents are seeking asylum, their children probably are/would too.
The opposing parties in the case, Flores v. Reno, agreed on terms requiring that unaccompanied children held in federal custody be placed in 'the least restrictive' environment possible.
Later, as more parents started crossing the U.S. border with very young children, the Obama administration responded by establishing large-scale family detention centers in Texas and Pennsylvania.
The move drew criticism from immigrant rights activists, and a federal judge ruled in 2015 that the family centers were in violation of Flores v. Reno – even though the original settlement was intended only to apply to unaccompanied minors.
That legal standard is still in place, and it means that children cannot be held in detention centers for more than 72 hours – even if they are with their parents, said Leon Fresco, former deputy assistant attorney general in charge of the Office of Immigration under President Obama.
'The only two choices for the current administration is to let people in who are seeking asylum - which this (Trump) administration doesn't want to do - or separate parents from children,' Fresco said.
So it has been reduced to two choices. Separate the families or let them walk free.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIf you had bothered to read the article ...So it has been reduced to two choices. Separate the families or let them walk free.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostI read the article. Or expand it back to three choices again by reversing the apparently incorrect ruling.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThat is not a choice currently available. Right now we are stuck with only two choices and have to deal with what is not with what we would prefer.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIf you had bothered to read the article you would have seen that they tried that but it was rebuffed by the courts when immigrant rights activists complained
The opposing parties in the case, Flores v. Reno, agreed on terms requiring that unaccompanied children held in federal custody be placed in 'the least restrictive' environment possible.
Later, as more parents started crossing the U.S. border with very young children, the Obama administration responded by establishing large-scale family detention centers in Texas and Pennsylvania.
The move drew criticism from immigrant rights activists, and a federal judge ruled in 2015 that the family centers were in violation of Flores v. Reno – even though the original settlement was intended only to apply to unaccompanied minors.
That legal standard is still in place, and it means that children cannot be held in detention centers for more than 72 hours – even if they are with their parents, said Leon Fresco, former deputy assistant attorney general in charge of the Office of Immigration under President Obama.
'The only two choices for the current administration is to let people in who are seeking asylum - which this (Trump) administration doesn't want to do - or separate parents from children,' Fresco said.
So it has been reduced to two choices. Separate the families or let them walk free.
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Here is an article from when Obama was President:
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Kids in Cages (Fundamentally Transforming America)
...Border patrol agents report that the juveniles say they came because they believe children will not be deported, that amnesty will soon be forthcoming and they will be allowed to attain legal status.
Last week’s announcement that deferment only applies to minors who were brought to the US before June 15, 2007 was too little, too late.
At least 700 (and counting) of these children are now warehoused in Nogales at a makeshift holding center. Apparently ICE in Texas was too overwhelmed to check for infectious diseases before loading them on buses. According to Townhall.com scabies and tuberculosis are becoming a public health concern.
Townhall.com among others have posted pictures of the facility (a former warehouse) showing children crowded into chain link enclosures, sleeping on park benches or on the floor, awaiting the arrival of sufficient mattresses and other necessities. Despite the protests of AZ governor Jan Brewer, another thousand juveniles are to be sent to the Arizona facility over the weekend.
More than 1000 minors are also housed at Lockland Air Force Base in San Antonio and others are headed to a base in Ventura County, California.
http://www.whatwouldthefoundersthink...orming-america
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35302410_10214432085468356_6291053978176192512_n.jpgLast edited by Sparko; 06-14-2018, 12:36 PM.
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The image of a child locked in a cage tweeted by immigration rights activist and former Washington Post and Huffington Post reporter Jose Antonio Vargas this past Monday was staged coming from a protest in Dallas over the weekend
After it was already exposed the fake fact checkers at Snopes declared that the image was merely "miscaptioned"
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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ICE has been terrible since its establishment under the Bush administration. It should be abolished."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
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