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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    I guess Calexit has been decided to be too stupid to consider, so in a completely obvious attempt to try to gain more control of congress, California wants to split into three states.


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    Controversial Plan to Split California Into 3 States Earns Spot on November Ballot

    California’s 168-year run as a single entity, hugging the continent’s edge for hundreds of miles and sprawling east across mountains and desert, could come to an end next year — as a controversial plan to split the Golden State into three new jurisdictions qualified Tuesday for the Nov. 6 ballot.

    If a majority of voters who cast ballots agree, a long and contentious process would begin for three separate states to take the place of California, with one primarily centered around Los Angeles and the other two divvying up the counties to the north and south. Completion of the radical plan — far from certain, given its many hurdles at judicial, state and federal levels — would make history.

    http://ktla.com/2018/06/12/radical-p...vember-ballot/

    I don’t think that would help democrats that much. Only Texas put more republicans in the house. If anything, such a split could keep land a few California republicans in the senate and could free up the democrat stranglehold on the electoral college too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    Well originally the point of the senate, as I understand it, was to allow the rich and powerful to maintain control of government and stop the pesky populace having too much democratic influence. (It's modeled, at least somewhat, on the House of Lords in the UK, where the aristocracy could veto the laws that the pesky house of commons was passing)
    Not especially. The House of Lords is hereditary, whereas the Senate was originally composed of senators elected by their own state's legislatures - in other words, they were indirectly elected by the people. It was expressly set up in order to give smaller states a say in the federal government (along with the Electoral College).
    Then its purpose transitioned to ensuring that slavery wasn't banned by ensuring there were always enough senators from slave-states to stop the federal government passing a ban on slavery.

    So historically it's been the part of the US government that had a stated purpose of being openly undemocratic / evil.
    Your opinion is duly noted.
    Mostly what the senate seems to do now, in practice, is give the Republican party unduly high levels of representation in congress relative to the amount of votes cast for them.
    This is where your ignorance (and hatred of Republicans in general) gets in the way: as recently as 2011, the Democrats had a nearly filibuster-proof majority.
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    I do not like the idea. I would be living in Southern California working out of state in California. Likely having to pay two state taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    Well originally the point of the senate, as I understand it, was to allow the rich and powerful to maintain control of government and stop the pesky populace having too much democratic influence. (It's modeled, at least somewhat, on the House of Lords in the UK, where the aristocracy could veto the laws that the pesky house of commons was passing) Then its purpose transitioned to ensuring that slavery wasn't banned by ensuring there were always enough senators from slave-states to stop the federal government passing a ban on slavery.

    So historically it's been the part of the US government that had a stated purpose of being openly undemocratic / evil.

    Mostly what the senate seems to do now, in practice, is give the Republican party unduly high levels of representation in congress relative to the amount of votes cast for them.
    The above disqualifies your claims about knowing all about the U.S. from ever being taken seriously again.

    Next you'll be telling us that George Washington crossed the Indian Ocean aboard the Mayflower to attack the Romans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    I do not like the idea. I would be living in Southern California working out of state in California. Likely having to pay two state taxes.
    most states have reciprocal agreements so that you only have to pay the tax in the state in which you live, not work. Basically the state where you work takes out the taxes for your resident state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    The above disqualifies your claims about knowing all about the U.S. from ever being taken seriously again.

    Next you'll be telling us that George Washington crossed the Indian Ocean aboard the Mayflower to attack the Romans.
    The more SL posts, the more he sounds like some basement troll who only knows about the USA from what he reads on conspiracy sites.

    And Washington never existed. He is a myth invented by the British to make us think that we actually achieved independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    most states have reciprocal agreements so that you only have to pay the tax in the state in which you live, not work. Basically the state where you work takes out the taxes for your resident state.
    Yep. I only pay income tax in Maryland, where I live - not in DC, where I work. All I pay in DC is sales tax, when I buy something (almost always food, though I usually bring food to work).
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    I don’t think that would help democrats that much. Only Texas put more republicans in the house. If anything, such a split could keep land a few California republicans in the senate and could free up the democrat stranglehold on the electoral college too.
    It would give 4 more senators with 2 more states. The electoral college 4 more votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    It would give 4 more senators with 2 more states. The electoral college 4 more votes.
    Yes, but it will essentially unlock a pretty good amount of consertives votes too. As it sits now, the costal population centers drown out more consertive voters further inland. This proposal would break up those population centers into separate states and give Northern and Sourhern consertive votes more insentive to vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    I do not like the idea. I would be living in Southern California working out of state in California. Likely having to pay two state taxes.
    If you're living in California, you're probably already doing that and don't realize it.

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