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"LGBTQ+ inclusive" churches don't seem to be reaching their goal

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  • "LGBTQ+ inclusive" churches don't seem to be reaching their goal

    I came across this blog article. This is definitely not a Christian source; it's a gay rights blogger. He hits on something important, though: churches that water down the gospel by denying the sinfulness of homosexuality don't seem to be bringing in scores of new gay church members... or in some cases, any. His reasons why aren't particularly important here, though here's the post: https://bookishbearblog.com/2018/06/...lusive-church/
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    I think down deep they still know it is a sin and are embarrassed to stand before God and pretend otherwise.

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      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      I think down deep they still know it is a sin and are embarrassed to stand before God and pretend otherwise.
      That may certainly play into it...I think it also may be that since Religion in general, and Christianity in particular, in this country have pushed back so hard against the "special status" and the legalization of same sex marriage and behavior, that it has created a deep distrust and even hatred for anything "church". It's an extension of victim mentality.
      "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

      "... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen

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        Where I grew up, the church did get lumped in with some of the worse stereotypes of gay bashing because we were so close to Westboro Baptist Church and they would frequently show up in the county. I don't know how the dynamic would have been in other areas. I did sense that some Christians were disgusted by Westboro and swung too far in the other direction.
        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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          "LGBTQ+ inclusive" churches don't seem to be reaching their goal
          Point is going at satellite height whoosh over head of yours. Why progs push progism is to corrupt churches, also Christians, 'we'll be more inclusive, attract more people!!!' is excuse they sell to itching ears.
          Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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            We may have to share the gospel without trying to get people to conventional church meetings.

            The gospel isn't quite "repent for the forgiveness of sins and then go to our church meetings."

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              Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
              We may have to share the gospel without trying to get people to conventional church meetings.

              The gospel isn't quite "repent for the forgiveness of sins and then go to our church meetings."
              This is why I believe in old fashioned soul winning... I grew up in an era where it seemed the thing to do was to get people into Church, and maybe after hearing the Gospel, they'll "get saved".

              I grew to understand that our job is to go "out there" and win people to Christ, then "bring them home to the family" at Church.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                Point is going at satellite height whoosh over head of yours. Why progs push progism is to corrupt churches, also Christians, 'we'll be more inclusive, attract more people!!!' is excuse they sell to itching ears.
                Not sure where that disagrees with my post
                "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  This is why I believe in old fashioned soul winning... I grew up in an era where it seemed the thing to do was to get people into Church, and maybe after hearing the Gospel, they'll "get saved".

                  I grew to understand that our job is to go "out there" and win people to Christ, then "bring them home to the family" at Church.
                  And we can't get distracted with social issues. We can discuss questions about how Jonah could possibly have been swallowed by that fish AFTER we've presented the gospel. The gospel of Jesus Christ should be foremost, and He is the one doing the winning of souls, not me.

                  HE will grow His church. Not me. I am just to present the gospel of Christ.


                  Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                    And we can't get distracted with social issues. We can discuss questions about how Jonah could possibly have been swallowed by that fish AFTER we've presented the gospel. The gospel of Jesus Christ should be foremost, and He is the one doing the winning of souls, not me.

                    HE will grow His church. Not me. I am just to present the gospel of Christ.
                    I was just explaining to our Wednesday Night group about the guy who taught me soul winning many years ago. We'd be in somebody's house sharing the gospel, and that person would ask something like "Did Adam and Even have bellybuttons*". Ray would say, "Can I tell you about Jesus, then we'll discuss any issues you may have..." and they'd bring up some other objection, and Ray would say, "Sure, we can talk about that, but can I tell you about Jesus?...."

                    As I'm sure you already know, moss, after they have accepted Christ, all that other stuff was no longer important.



                    *I only actually got that question one time
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      I was just explaining to our Wednesday Night group about the guy who taught me soul winning many years ago. We'd be in somebody's house sharing the gospel, and that person would ask something like "Did Adam and Even have bellybuttons*". Ray would say, "Can I tell you about Jesus, then we'll discuss any issues you may have..." and they'd bring up some other objection, and Ray would say, "Sure, we can talk about that, but can I tell you about Jesus?...."

                      As I'm sure you already know, moss, after they have accepted Christ, all that other stuff was no longer important.



                      *I only actually got that question one time
                      Precisely my point.



                      Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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                        Adam and Even
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                          Adam and Even
                          I saw that but didn't think it was worth correcting.



                          Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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                            Most of those times those questions are probably smokescreens. There are exceptions but I think you can usually tell when somebody is sincere. Probably not when it's about something off the wall like that
                            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                              Most of those times those questions are probably smokescreens. There are exceptions but I think you can usually tell when somebody is sincere. Probably not when it's about something off the wall like that
                              And that was my title of that segment of teaching: "smokescreens"

                              Paul Little tells the story of speaking at a university where a young man came up to him after his apologetics presentation, and told him, "You have successfully answered every objection I have had to Christianity".

                              Little asked, "then you're ready to give your life to Christ?"

                              The young man said no, and Little asked, "well, if I answered every objection, why won't you accept Christ as your Savior?"

                              The answer "because it would mess up the way I'm living".
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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