I came across this blog article. This is definitely not a Christian source; it's a gay rights blogger. He hits on something important, though: churches that water down the gospel by denying the sinfulness of homosexuality don't seem to be bringing in scores of new gay church members... or in some cases, any. His reasons why aren't particularly important here, though here's the post: https://bookishbearblog.com/2018/06/...lusive-church/
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"LGBTQ+ inclusive" churches don't seem to be reaching their goal
"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard RavenhillTags: None
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI think down deep they still know it is a sin and are embarrassed to stand before God and pretend otherwise."What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Where I grew up, the church did get lumped in with some of the worse stereotypes of gay bashing because we were so close to Westboro Baptist Church and they would frequently show up in the county. I don't know how the dynamic would have been in other areas. I did sense that some Christians were disgusted by Westboro and swung too far in the other direction."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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"LGBTQ+ inclusive" churches don't seem to be reaching their goalRemember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostWe may have to share the gospel without trying to get people to conventional church meetings.
The gospel isn't quite "repent for the forgiveness of sins and then go to our church meetings."
I grew to understand that our job is to go "out there" and win people to Christ, then "bring them home to the family" at Church.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostPoint is going at satellite height whoosh over head of yours. Why progs push progism is to corrupt churches, also Christians, 'we'll be more inclusive, attract more people!!!' is excuse they sell to itching ears."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThis is why I believe in old fashioned soul winning... I grew up in an era where it seemed the thing to do was to get people into Church, and maybe after hearing the Gospel, they'll "get saved".
I grew to understand that our job is to go "out there" and win people to Christ, then "bring them home to the family" at Church.
HE will grow His church. Not me. I am just to present the gospel of Christ.
Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostAnd we can't get distracted with social issues. We can discuss questions about how Jonah could possibly have been swallowed by that fish AFTER we've presented the gospel. The gospel of Jesus Christ should be foremost, and He is the one doing the winning of souls, not me.
HE will grow His church. Not me. I am just to present the gospel of Christ.
As I'm sure you already know, moss, after they have accepted Christ, all that other stuff was no longer important.
*I only actually got that question one timeThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI was just explaining to our Wednesday Night group about the guy who taught me soul winning many years ago. We'd be in somebody's house sharing the gospel, and that person would ask something like "Did Adam and Even have bellybuttons*". Ray would say, "Can I tell you about Jesus, then we'll discuss any issues you may have..." and they'd bring up some other objection, and Ray would say, "Sure, we can talk about that, but can I tell you about Jesus?...."
As I'm sure you already know, moss, after they have accepted Christ, all that other stuff was no longer important.
*I only actually got that question one time
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Most of those times those questions are probably smokescreens. There are exceptions but I think you can usually tell when somebody is sincere. Probably not when it's about something off the wall like that"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostMost of those times those questions are probably smokescreens. There are exceptions but I think you can usually tell when somebody is sincere. Probably not when it's about something off the wall like that
Paul Little tells the story of speaking at a university where a young man came up to him after his apologetics presentation, and told him, "You have successfully answered every objection I have had to Christianity".
Little asked, "then you're ready to give your life to Christ?"
The young man said no, and Little asked, "well, if I answered every objection, why won't you accept Christ as your Savior?"
The answer "because it would mess up the way I'm living".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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