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    The world leaders Trump seems to get on best with, are consistently brutal and oppressive leaders:
    - Putin (Russia)
    - Kim (North Korea)
    - Duterte (Philippines)
    - Erdoğan (Turkey)
    - Salman (Saudi Arabia)
    - Xi (China)

    The world leaders Trump seems to get on worst with, are consistently democratically elected leaders:
    - Trudeau (Canada)
    - Nieto (Mexico)
    - Merkel (Germany)

    But Trump took his love of dictators to whole new public levels this week. Various media (esp Fox) low-balled him some easy opportunities to say things like "being a brutal dictator and randomly executing people is bad, the US stands for democracy and constitutional rights." Trump, missed all those opportunities and choose to never express those sentiments in any way, shape, or form, even when the Fox hosts were trying to prompt him to do it. Trump instead went out of his way to praise dictators, to state that he wished he could behave like they do, and to talk admiringly of their horrific actions, to the point where even the Fox hosts were becoming uncomfortable and tried to side-track him.

    According to some presidential historians, no US president has ever so consistently said approving things about dictators as Trump does.

    Some of his comments:

    Trump told Fox News: “He’s [Kim] the head of a country, and I mean he’s the strong head. Don’t let anyone think anything different. He speaks, and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.”...

    Trump earlier this week declared the media to be “our country’s biggest enemy,” and he has repeatedly voiced his desire to punish journalists who air criticisms of him...

    During his visit to Singapore, Trump showered praise on Kim, calling him a “very talented man,” a “smart guy” and a “very good negotiator.” He also complimented Kim’s “great personality.”...

    Asked at a news conference in Singapore how he could be comfortable calling a dictator with a murderous record “very talented,” Trump replied, “Well, he is very talented. Anybody that takes over a situation like he did at 26 years of age and is able to run it and run it tough — I don’t say it was nice, or I don’t say anything about it. He ran it. Very few people at that age, you can take 1 out of 10,000, probably couldn’t do it.”...

    Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) tweeted that while Trump was “trying to butter him up to get a good deal,” Kim “is NOT a talented guy. He inherited the family business from his dad & grandfather. He is a total weirdo who would not be elected assistant dogcatcher in any democracy.”...

    “We [Trump and Kim] have a really great relationship for the first time ever,” Trump said. “...I gave him credibility. I think it’s great to give him credibility.”

    Trump also praised North Korean state media for it's favorable coverage of their leader saying it was even better than Fox News.

    Trump claimed that Kim loves his people. Trump also seemed to particularly enjoy the fact that Kim murders his generals when they displease him. Trump seemed pretty pleased about this when he explained this, to the Fox host:
    Host: Just before you met with him [Kim] he cleaned house. Some of the top generals, some of the hard-liners, he's fired...

    Trump: I think he 'fired' at least [i.e. killed], okay. When you say he 'fired'.

    Host: [Not getting it] [He only fired ] 3 [generals] that we know of.

    Trump: Maybe 'fired' at least. 'Fired' maybe a nice word [for it].
    Trump seems to wish he could "'fire' at least" many people in the US, especially media people.

    Given all of his comments, I think it's pretty clear that Trump wishes he was an absolute dictator like Kim, and could murder people if and when he wanted, and wishes that the media praised him endlessly like is does Kim. Trump seems to have no interest in, nor desire to praise or defend or promote, democracy or constitutional rights or an adversarial media, which have traditionally been the major values of the US.
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    Given all of his comments, I think it's pretty clear that Trump wishes he was an absolute dictator like Kim, and could murder people if and when he wanted...
    wow

    just wow
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      wow

      just wow
      I wonder where Starlight was when Obama was touring the brutal dictatorship of Cuba and praising those that currently oppress the people of Cuba, making deals with terrorist leaders in Iran, and telling Putin that he would have more flexibility after the 2012 election.
      Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 06-18-2018, 12:12 AM.
      "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
      GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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      • #4
        Dimbulb's posts have so much spin, they're like those carnival rides that rotate really fast and pin you to the walls with centrifugal force.

        There are times it almost seems like liberals were really hoping that Trump would strong-arm Kim and instigate World War 3 instead of quietly disarming him with a smile.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          Dimbulb's posts have so much spin, they're like those carnival rides that rotate really fast and pin you to the walls with centrifugal force.

          There are times it almost seems like liberals were really hoping that Trump would strong-arm Kim and instigate World War 3 instead of quietly disarming him with a smile.
          I’d rather that my friends in Korea are not get killed in a war. Guess Starlight doesn’t care if they all die, as long as he can blame Trump. Shoot, I’d be happy if Obama or Clinton were the ones doing it instead.
          "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
          GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            The world leaders Trump seems to get on best with, are consistently brutal and oppressive leaders:
            - Putin (Russia)
            - Kim (North Korea)
            - Duterte (Philippines)
            - Erdoğan (Turkey)
            - Salman (Saudi Arabia)
            - Xi (China)

            The world leaders Trump seems to get on worst with, are consistently democratically elected leaders:
            - Trudeau (Canada)
            - Nieto (Mexico)
            - Merkel (Germany)

            But Trump took his love of dictators to whole new public levels this week. Various media (esp Fox) low-balled him some easy opportunities to say things like "being a brutal dictator and randomly executing people is bad, the US stands for democracy and constitutional rights." Trump, missed all those opportunities and choose to never express those sentiments in any way, shape, or form, even when the Fox hosts were trying to prompt him to do it. Trump instead went out of his way to praise dictators, to state that he wished he could behave like they do, and to talk admiringly of their horrific actions, to the point where even the Fox hosts were becoming uncomfortable and tried to side-track him.

            According to some presidential historians, no US president has ever so consistently said approving things about dictators as Trump does.

            Some of his comments:

            Trump told Fox News: “He’s [Kim] the head of a country, and I mean he’s the strong head. Don’t let anyone think anything different. He speaks, and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.”...

            Trump earlier this week declared the media to be “our country’s biggest enemy,” and he has repeatedly voiced his desire to punish journalists who air criticisms of him...

            During his visit to Singapore, Trump showered praise on Kim, calling him a “very talented man,” a “smart guy” and a “very good negotiator.” He also complimented Kim’s “great personality.”...

            Asked at a news conference in Singapore how he could be comfortable calling a dictator with a murderous record “very talented,” Trump replied, “Well, he is very talented. Anybody that takes over a situation like he did at 26 years of age and is able to run it and run it tough — I don’t say it was nice, or I don’t say anything about it. He ran it. Very few people at that age, you can take 1 out of 10,000, probably couldn’t do it.”...

            Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) tweeted that while Trump was “trying to butter him up to get a good deal,” Kim “is NOT a talented guy. He inherited the family business from his dad & grandfather. He is a total weirdo who would not be elected assistant dogcatcher in any democracy.”...

            “We [Trump and Kim] have a really great relationship for the first time ever,” Trump said. “...I gave him credibility. I think it’s great to give him credibility.”

            Trump also praised North Korean state media for it's favorable coverage of their leader saying it was even better than Fox News.

            Trump claimed that Kim loves his people. Trump also seemed to particularly enjoy the fact that Kim murders his generals when they displease him. Trump seemed pretty pleased about this when he explained this, to the Fox host:
            Host: Just before you met with him [Kim] he cleaned house. Some of the top generals, some of the hard-liners, he's fired...

            Trump: I think he 'fired' at least [i.e. killed], okay. When you say he 'fired'.

            Host: [Not getting it] [He only fired ] 3 [generals] that we know of.

            Trump: Maybe 'fired' at least. 'Fired' maybe a nice word [for it].
            Trump seems to wish he could "'fire' at least" many people in the US, especially media people.

            Given all of his comments, I think it's pretty clear that Trump wishes he was an absolute dictator like Kim, and could murder people if and when he wanted, and wishes that the media praised him endlessly like is does Kim. Trump seems to have no interest in, nor desire to praise or defend or promote, democracy or constitutional rights or an adversarial media, which have traditionally been the major values of the US.
            As you can see, Trump has a cult following the members of which will excuse anything he does. Just imagine if this was actually Obama instead of Trump, doing Putins bidding, demeaning our allies and making nice with the enemies of democracy, they'd have him up for impeachment already. It's really kind of pathetic and sad to see how willfully blind people can be.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JimL View Post
              It's really kind of pathetic and sad to see how willfully blind people can be.
              Projection again, lib. Zero of you touching 'Obama put kids in cages' with long pole. Sad!
              Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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              • #8
                I like that he's being rude to some of our so-called "allies." They need the shake-up.

                I'm not greatly bothered by most of his remarks about the various and sundry dictators. I think a lot of it is negotiating tactics. I think a lot of the rest is him intentionally thumbing his nose at critics. Generally, Republicans walk on eggshells, knowing how the media will treat them if they slip even slightly. Trump takes exactly the opposite approach, storming in, throwing huge cases of eggs on the floor, and stomping them all mercilessly.
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                Beige Federalist.

                Nationalist Christian.

                "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                Justice for Matthew Perna!

                Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                  I like that he's being rude to some of our so-called "allies." They need the shake-up.

                  I'm not greatly bothered by most of his remarks about the various and sundry dictators. I think a lot of it is negotiating tactics. I think a lot of the rest is him intentionally thumbing his nose at critics. Generally, Republicans walk on eggshells, knowing how the media will treat them if they slip even slightly. Trump takes exactly the opposite approach, storming in, throwing huge cases of eggs on the floor, and stomping them all mercilessly.
                  This.

                  Starlight apparently would rather Trump just straight up nuked North Korea. Getting the possibility of real progress with them (something no one else has done) is just another sign that Trump is 'literally Hitler'.
                  ...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JimL View Post
                    As you can see, Trump has a cult following the members of which will excuse anything he does. Just imagine if this was actually Obama instead of Trump, doing Putins bidding, demeaning our allies and making nice with the enemies of democracy, they'd have him up for impeachment already. It's really kind of pathetic and sad to see how willfully blind people can be.
                    Yep. And when the topic is Trump's character as shown by Trump's own words, they stick their heads so far in the sand it's incredible.

                    It doesn't worry them that Trump never espouses democratic values, it doesn't bother them that he consistently praises dictators and in particular their dictatorial authoritarian qualities, it doesn't bother them that he says he wishes the people in the US obeyed him and praised him like the people in those dictators' countries do to their dictators, it doesn't bother them when he calls the free press the enemy of the people. None of that bothers them, I suspect, because they're authoritarian themselves. They'd secretly (or not so secretly) love Trump to be their dictator so long as he helped them win the culture war.

                    So instead of address the actual topic they try and distract by claiming that I (the most anti-war poster on this forum) want a nuclear war. Their stupidity is so extreme it's painful. It's too stupid to even reach the bar of being stupid. And their attempt to distract from the issue of Trump's open authoritarian tendencies is blatant.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #11
                      I don't normally bother directly replying to you, especially in detail, but this time I decided to do so, mostly as a lark.

                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      Yep. And when the topic is Trump's character as shown by Trump's own words, they stick their heads so far in the sand it's incredible.
                      I think to a large extent, Trump's words reveal his sense of humor at least as much as his character, kind of like some of the provocative, tweaking, or braggadocious things Maha Rushie says.

                      It doesn't worry them that Trump never espouses democratic values, ...
                      I don't think it has ever occurred to me to keep a tally of the number of times politicos cheer-lead for "democratic values." That seems to me just another contrived excuse for disliking Trump.

                      it doesn't bother them that he consistently praises dictators and in particular their dictatorial authoritarian qualities, it doesn't bother them that he says he wishes the people in the US obeyed him and praised him like the people in those dictators' countries do to their dictators,...
                      No. He has praised Kim rather effusively, and also called him "Little Rocket Man." He speaks warmly of Putin and Xi. He has imposed sanctions and tariffs. I'm fine with the dance of diplomacy so far. And as for the part about obeying, I take that as a joke. I assume he knew full well it would drive people like you crazy, which gave him all the more reason to say it.

                      it doesn't bother them when he calls the free press the enemy of the people.
                      Of course not. Why would I be bothered about him SAYING that, as long as he doesn't take ACTIONS on it, like investigating James Rosen and his parents, or spying on Sharyl Atkisson?

                      Sadly, I think much of the press IS the enemy of the people, but I definitely don't favor any ACTIVE government intrusion; derisive words are fine.

                      None of that bothers them, I suspect, because they're authoritarian themselves. They'd secretly (or not so secretly) love Trump to be their dictator so long as he helped them win the culture war.
                      I'm much more libertarian than authoritarian. I'm not bothered by his words, because I see little evidence of authoritarian ACTIONS -- probably less than either Obama or Bush 43.

                      So instead of address the actual topic they try and distract by claiming that I (the most anti-war poster on this forum) want a nuclear war.
                      The reasoning is that, if you're going to have a hissy fit about Trump's amicable rhetoric toward dictators, that must mean you'd rather he speak harshly and provocatively, in ways likely to destroy diplomatic solutions, leaving actual hot war as the only alternative; i.e., your claims of being anti-war ring hollow.

                      Their stupidity is so extreme it's painful. It's too stupid to even reach the bar of being stupid. And their attempt to distract from the issue of Trump's open authoritarian tendencies is blatant.
                      No, we just don't agree he really has such tendencies, at least not more than a typical POTUS.
                      Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                      Beige Federalist.

                      Nationalist Christian.

                      "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                      Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                      Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                      Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                      Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                      Justice for Matthew Perna!

                      Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                      • #12
                        Starlight 2018:

                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        The world leaders Trump seems to get on best with, are consistently brutal and oppressive leaders:
                        - Putin (Russia)
                        - Kim (North Korea)
                        - Duterte (Philippines)
                        - Erdoğan (Turkey)
                        - Salman (Saudi Arabia)
                        - Xi (China)

                        The world leaders Trump seems to get on worst with, are consistently democratically elected leaders:
                        - Trudeau (Canada)
                        - Nieto (Mexico)
                        - Merkel (Germany)

                        But Trump took his love of dictators to whole new public levels this week. Various media (esp Fox) low-balled him some easy opportunities to say things like "being a brutal dictator and randomly executing people is bad, the US stands for democracy and constitutional rights." Trump, missed all those opportunities and choose to never express those sentiments in any way, shape, or form, even when the Fox hosts were trying to prompt him to do it. Trump instead went out of his way to praise dictators, to state that he wished he could behave like they do, and to talk admiringly of their horrific actions, to the point where even the Fox hosts were becoming uncomfortable and tried to side-track him.

                        According to some presidential historians, no US president has ever so consistently said approving things about dictators as Trump does.

                        Some of his comments:

                        Trump told Fox News: “He’s [Kim] the head of a country, and I mean he’s the strong head. Don’t let anyone think anything different. He speaks, and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.”...

                        Trump earlier this week declared the media to be “our country’s biggest enemy,” and he has repeatedly voiced his desire to punish journalists who air criticisms of him...

                        During his visit to Singapore, Trump showered praise on Kim, calling him a “very talented man,” a “smart guy” and a “very good negotiator.” He also complimented Kim’s “great personality.”...

                        Asked at a news conference in Singapore how he could be comfortable calling a dictator with a murderous record “very talented,” Trump replied, “Well, he is very talented. Anybody that takes over a situation like he did at 26 years of age and is able to run it and run it tough — I don’t say it was nice, or I don’t say anything about it. He ran it. Very few people at that age, you can take 1 out of 10,000, probably couldn’t do it.”...

                        Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) tweeted that while Trump was “trying to butter him up to get a good deal,” Kim “is NOT a talented guy. He inherited the family business from his dad & grandfather. He is a total weirdo who would not be elected assistant dogcatcher in any democracy.”...

                        “We [Trump and Kim] have a really great relationship for the first time ever,” Trump said. “...I gave him credibility. I think it’s great to give him credibility.”

                        Trump also praised North Korean state media for it's favorable coverage of their leader saying it was even better than Fox News.

                        Trump claimed that Kim loves his people. Trump also seemed to particularly enjoy the fact that Kim murders his generals when they displease him. Trump seemed pretty pleased about this when he explained this, to the Fox host:
                        Host: Just before you met with him [Kim] he cleaned house. Some of the top generals, some of the hard-liners, he's fired...

                        Trump: I think he 'fired' at least [i.e. killed], okay. When you say he 'fired'.

                        Host: [Not getting it] [He only fired ] 3 [generals] that we know of.

                        Trump: Maybe 'fired' at least. 'Fired' maybe a nice word [for it].
                        Trump seems to wish he could "'fire' at least" many people in the US, especially media people.

                        Given all of his comments, I think it's pretty clear that Trump wishes he was an absolute dictator like Kim, and could murder people if and when he wanted, and wishes that the media praised him endlessly like is does Kim. Trump seems to have no interest in, nor desire to praise or defend or promote, democracy or constitutional rights or an adversarial media, which have traditionally been the major values of the US.
                        Starlight 2017:

                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        Seems like things are heating up with regard to North Korea. Is Trump going to bungle things and get South Korea nuked? I would be very worried if I lived in South Korea right now.

                        The background, of course, is that North Korea got nuclear weapons during the presidency of Bush, when he was asleep on his watch. Since then the US has largely followed the strategy of "let's just leave well enough alone and let the mad dictator take photos of himself in the ruins of his own country, and not in any way provoke him into doing anything precipitous like nuking South Korea."

                        But now, because Trump is incompetent and isn't just content to leave it alone, he's now sending forces to the region and there's talk about striking North Korea. Apparently the war-mongering cheer-leading from the corporate media that came when he did his symbolic strike against Syria seems to have gone to his head, and he isn't content with simply adding an 8th country to the number of Middle Eastern countries the US is conducting operations in, he now wants to bring war to an entirely new region of the world...



                        Which part of the mad dictator has nuclear weapons and keeps threatening to use them doesn't Trump understand? After all, that apples to himself too.

                        I get that Trump is incompetent and senile and wants to look strong... but getting South Korea nuked is not the correct way to do that.


                        I’m confused, is being nice to dictators wrong or not?
                        Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 06-18-2018, 06:57 AM.
                        "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                        GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JimL View Post
                          As you can see, Trump has a cult following the members of which will excuse anything he does. Just imagine if this was actually Obama instead of Trump, doing Putins bidding, demeaning our allies and making nice with the enemies of democracy, they'd have him up for impeachment already. It's really kind of pathetic and sad to see how willfully blind people can be.
                          So Jimmy as I recall, you were going after Trump for being mean to North Korea last year. So is it totally cool to insult dictators or not or could you care less and would rather see my friends in South Korea dead, so you can blame it on Trump?

                          Your friend,
                          Lilpix
                          "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                          GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            As you can see, Trump has a cult following the members of which will excuse anything he does.
                            It's not "excusing anything he does" - it's Starlight's gross assumptions based on his hatred of Trump.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              Yep. And when the topic is Trump's character as shown by Trump's own words, they stick their heads so far in the sand it's incredible.
                              Calm yourself, Mister Exaggerator in Chief. I, for one, was only commenting on your statement that Trump wishes he "could murder people if and when he wanted".

                              Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT?
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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