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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHe was going by my first posts in the thread where I questioned Leonhard that any thought about sin is a sin. I certainly don't think that.
A) he's such an idiot he wouldn't get it
2) even if he got it, he's such an idiot he'd just rant on anyway
The boy needs serious help.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI know, I was going to go through the thread and build the case based on that, but I knew that...
A) he's such an idiot he wouldn't get it
2) even if he got it, he's such an idiot he'd just rant on anyway
The boy needs serious help.
My view is:
1. Dreaming about something that is a sin isn't a sin because you are not consciously controlling your thoughts in a dream (usually)
2. Just being tempted and thinking about a sin isn't a sin. But it can lead to a sin
3. Actually and consciously fantasizing and dwelling on a sinful behavior can be a sin in itself. I don't know if it counts as the same degree as actually acting on it though. I don't think it would. but then all sin leads to death.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWell at least he is actually going back and reading the first posts. Something other people don't bother with.
My view is:
1. Dreaming about something that is a sin isn't a sin because you are not consciously controlling your thoughts in a dream (usually)
2. Just being tempted and thinking about a sin isn't a sin. But it can lead to a sin
3. Actually and consciously fantasizing and dwelling on a sinful behavior can be a sin in itself. I don't know if it counts as the same degree as actually acting on it though. I don't think it would. but then all sin leads to death.
When she got older, her mind 'snapped' or something, and she became a very bitter, angry person, cursing and demanding that we stop stealing her cigarettes (she never smoked). Fortunately, she didn't live very long in that state, but it always made me wonder what goes on in the mind.
Dreaming could be an outlet for stuff we watch on TV, movies, things we hear or see that we don't need to hear or see.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe dreaming thing -- back to the topic at hand -- makes me think. My gramma lived with us when we were kids - her husband had died young - and she was a very godly woman. Always read the Bible to us, told us Bible stories, taught us songs, always a wonderful Christian attitude.
When she got older, her mind 'snapped' or something, and she became a very bitter, angry person, cursing and demanding that we stop stealing her cigarettes (she never smoked). Fortunately, she didn't live very long in that state, but it always made me wonder what goes on in the mind.
Dreaming could be an outlet for stuff we watch on TV, movies, things we hear or see that we don't need to hear or see.
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I believe that in order to commit a sin, the act has to be a free act of the will. You also have to know that it is a sin or be able to know it.
Children and those with severe mental illness cannot be said to commit their acts with either full moral knowledge or with free acts. Therefore they don't sin, even if they do evil. At least their actions only constitute natural evil, its contrary to how things ought to be, but its not moral evil. Its not something that comes out of their hearts (as Jesus says).
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI believe that in order to commit a sin, the act has to be a free act of the will. You also have to know that it is a sin or be able to know it.
Children and those with severe mental illness cannot be said to commit their acts with either full moral knowledge or with free acts. Therefore they don't sin, even if they do evil. At least their actions only constitute natural evil, its contrary to how things ought to be, but its not moral evil. Its not something that comes out of their hearts (as Jesus says).
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