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  • #16
    Originally posted by Charles View Post
    Another attempt to avoid the issue.
    Another personal attack.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Charles View Post
      Another attempt to avoid the issue.
      The issue is....there IS no issue. This is an overblown hysterical non-issue. This would be like us here in the US going on and ON about the rampant violence committed by Muslims in Germany. I'm guessing you would say, what rampant violence by muslims?
      "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

      "... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
        The issue is....there IS no issue. This is an overblown hysterical non-issue. This would be like us here in the US going on and ON about the rampant violence committed by Muslims in Germany. I'm guessing you would say, what rampant violence by muslims?
        There is no issue if you do not care about the tremendeous harm innocent children have to suffer. Seeing so many Christians either ignoring it or supporting it is very strange, but again, some of them are not Christians in any meaningful definition of the term.
        "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
          The issue is....there IS no issue. This is an overblown hysterical non-issue.
          The issue is the crisis of violence within Central America...fostered by dishonest governments and corrupt police forces...from which terrified parents are fleeing with their children only to face the heartless reception of Trump and his Evangelical sycophants.

          And, despite the Nazi-style racist rhetoric about immigrants “infesting our country,” there has been no significant surge of border crossings from Mexico or Central America. In fact, border arrests show a steady decline over the past two decades. Nevertheless, those that do come warrant compassion and due process under the laws of Asylum Rights for Refugees.

          Trump, as usual is lying.
          “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            Like I said, not a word of criticism for the parents who put them in this situation.
            I do blame your parents for raising you without empathy, sympathy, compassion, Christ-like values, reading comprehension ability, or brains in general.

            The parents bringing their children across the US border? Hardly. Many of these people are fleeing conditions of terrible violence and murders in cartel-controlled areas. Their decision to travel with their children the hundreds or thousands of miles to the US was not taken lightly or at the drop of a hat. I heard today an expert commenting he would prefer to backpack across Syria than to traverse the areas that these refugees are having to travel through. In order to get to the US they brave terrible conditions, with many of the women seeking asylum in the US being raped en route.

            And now when they get to the US, the brainless Trump cultists think "well, if we're as cruel and nasty to them as we can get away with, that'll totally disincentive further asylum seeking!" However, while your moral depravity and cruelty and violations of international law, serve to make their lives and their children's lives worse, it seems unlikely to serve the purpose of disincentivising people who are fleeing for their lives already from applying for asylum. Furthermore one expert I was listening to yesterday was commenting that most of these people are neither well-educated nor have the ability to access international news, so have no idea what sort of reception they are likely to expect when they reach the US, and won't hear the news that Trump is trying to disincentivise immigrants by treating them as cruelly as possible.


            P.S. Since US conservatives seem to have a poor understand of the sorts of situation these refugee families are fleeing. Let's review, of the 20 most dangerous countries in the world several of them are in latin America:
            #1 Colombia​
            BACRIM, armed gangs, are responsible for kidnappings, drug trafficking, and robberies that occur throughout the country, while acts of terrorism, like explosions, are common in many big cities like Bogota.

            #3 El Salvador​
            Besides having one of the world's highest homicide levels, El Salvador is also known for its many gangs, which are known as maras. Gang violence includes everything from extortion to arms and drug trafficking.

            #6 Venezuela
            Shortages of basic goods such as water, food, medicine, and electricity have lead to much social unrest and crime throughout Venezuela. The country has one of the highest crime rates in the world; armed robbery, murder, kidnapping, and carjacking are all common forms of violence in much of the country. The US Department of State warns against travel to Venezuela.

            #9 Honduras​
            Honduras is home to one of the world's highest murder rates. The department of Gracias a Dios in particular is plagued with crime and drug trafficking, and also lacks police or military presence. Tegucigalpa, San Pedro Sula, and La Ceiba are other dangerous areas; 70% of US citizen homicides in the last seven years happened in these districts.

            #16 Guatemala
            Guatemala's border with Mexico is one of the most dangerous parts of the country because of frequent drug and alien smuggling. The country also had the fifth highest homicide rate in Latin America and the Caribbean last year. Other common crimes include carjacking, armed robbery, and theft.
            If a mother views her choice as being to stay with her child where she is, and both get murdered, or to try and flee with her child to another country even if she has to commit a federal misdemeanor in doing so, I don't blame the mother for making that choice anymore than I blame someone who steals a loaf of bread to feed their starving family.

            But I do blame people who think they need to punish the downtrodden extra-hard in order to try to prevent families who are in a desperate situation from stealing that loaf of bread. I think Jesus was fairly clear where he thought Pharisees like that would end up.
            Last edited by Starlight; 06-24-2018, 04:59 AM.
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Tassman View Post
              And, despite the Nazi-style racist rhetoric about immigrants “infesting our country,” there has been no significant surge of border crossings from Mexico or Central America. In fact, border arrests show a steady decline over the past two decades.
              Fake News! Wapo for you:

              More than a year after the inauguration of a president who promised to seal the U.S. border, something surprising is happening: The number of people entering illegally from Mexican territory has jumped. Figures for apprehensions, a widely used barometer for unauthorized traffic, nearly tripled from March through May compared with the same three months in 2017.
              https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...?noredirect=on
              Tripled, lib, tripled. Sad!
              Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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              • #22
                It's easy to triple the number of apprehensions when you actually enforce the law. This is common sense, something liberals are in short supply of.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #23
                  What a crock of fetid dingo's kidneys.
                  "Obama is not a brown-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You are thinking of Jesus." Episcopal Bishop of Arizona

                  I remember WinAce. Gone but not forgotten.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by kiwimac View Post
                    What a crock of fetid dingo's kidneys.
                    Not sure what you're referring to in particular. Prolly MM's previous post I guess. But the creative language gets an amen in and of itself.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                      Fake News! Wapo for you:
                      If you don't think Trump referring to refugee asylum-seekers “infesting our country,” is Nazi-style racist rhetoric how would you characterise it? What about refugees coming from "blank-hole" African countries rather than nice white countries like Norway? Or "Mexicans bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists" etc.? Notice the pattern here?

                      No wonder he has no qualms about using the suffering of immigrant brown children to maintain the loyalty of his base and it's interesting that his base consists largely of Evangelical Christians. Obviously Trump speaks to their values
                      “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by kiwimac View Post
                        What a crock of fetid dingo's kidneys.
                        Lovely expression, but I think you've swiped it from us Aussies.
                        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Charles View Post
                          Another attempt to avoid the issue.
                          yes Charles BY YOU and your leftist buddies.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                            If you don't think Trump referring to refugee asylum-seekers “infesting our country,” is Nazi-style racist rhetoric how would you characterise it? What about refugees coming from "blank-hole" African countries rather than nice white countries like Norway? Or "Mexicans bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists" etc.? Notice the pattern here?
                            More Fake News from Tassman? Big shock.

                            Stupid! Most illegals go to US to do serf jobs, not people who need asylum.
                            Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                              Not sure what you're referring to in particular. Prolly MM's previous post I guess. But the creative language gets an amen in and of itself.
                              I guess you've never read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. That's where I first encountered the phrase.

                              Anyway...

                              Source: Washington Times

                              (2014) President Obama has sent out a subtle message to Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents to stand down and slack off the enforcement, former border agents told the National Review Online.

                              Some agents say the White House has purposely failed to order them to take care of the influx of illegals across the border, said Ronald Colburn, the former national deputy chief of the U.S. Border Patrol, National Review Online reported. And that neglect has led to the scores of illegal minor-age immigrants coming up from Central America, Mr. Colburn said.

                              https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ormer-border-/

                              © Copyright Original Source


                              Source: Washington Examiner

                              (2016) In a shocking reversal of policy, U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents are being told to release illegal immigrants and no longer order them to appear at deportation hearings, essentially a license to stay in the United States, a key agent testified Thursday.

                              What's more, the stand down order includes a requirement that the whereabouts of illegals released are not to be tracked.

                              "We might as well abolish our immigration laws altogether," suggested agent Brandon Judd, president of the National Border Patrol Council.

                              https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/b...rticle/2582401

                              © Copyright Original Source



                              Source: Townhall

                              (2017) Shortly after signing executive orders on immigration on Wednesday, President Trump addressed employees at the Department of Homeland Security.

                              Standing alongside the new DHS Secretary John Kelly, Trump told the agency that his cabinet appointee will not let them down.

                              “Secretary Kelly will deliver for the American people,” he said.

                              Addressing the border crisis, Trump said DHS does not need new laws. Instead, we need to simply allow agents to do their jobs.

                              “Agents haven’t been allowed to do their jobs,” he said. “That’s going to change. I’m asking all of you to enforce the laws.”

                              https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortne...peech-n2276834

                              © Copyright Original Source



                              Why do you suppose border apprehensions suddenly tripled? Gee, that's a tough one.
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                                More Fake News from Tassman? Big shock.
                                Are you trying to say that Trump didn't refer to refugee asylum-seekers as “infesting our country"? Or refer to refugees coming from "blank-hole"African countries"? Or "Mexicans bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists" etc. We know he did.

                                Stupid! Most illegals go to US to do serf jobs, not people who need asylum.
                                You mean the people of whom Ronald Reagan said: When people say immigrants I see people who want to work.

                                Or do you mean the vast "majority who have fled to Belize, Mexico, and the United States, and increasingly to Costa Rica and Panama in search of refugee protection [from] forced recruitment into armed criminal gangs and death threats,".

                                https://www.voanews.com/a/alarming-r...a/4407945.html
                                “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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