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Originally posted by Charles View PostAnother attempt to avoid the issue."What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostThe issue is....there IS no issue. This is an overblown hysterical non-issue. This would be like us here in the US going on and ON about the rampant violence committed by Muslims in Germany. I'm guessing you would say, what rampant violence by muslims?"Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostThe issue is....there IS no issue. This is an overblown hysterical non-issue.
And, despite the Nazi-style racist rhetoric about immigrants “infesting our country,” there has been no significant surge of border crossings from Mexico or Central America. In fact, border arrests show a steady decline over the past two decades. Nevertheless, those that do come warrant compassion and due process under the laws of Asylum Rights for Refugees.
Trump, as usual is lying.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostLike I said, not a word of criticism for the parents who put them in this situation.
The parents bringing their children across the US border? Hardly. Many of these people are fleeing conditions of terrible violence and murders in cartel-controlled areas. Their decision to travel with their children the hundreds or thousands of miles to the US was not taken lightly or at the drop of a hat. I heard today an expert commenting he would prefer to backpack across Syria than to traverse the areas that these refugees are having to travel through. In order to get to the US they brave terrible conditions, with many of the women seeking asylum in the US being raped en route.
And now when they get to the US, the brainless Trump cultists think "well, if we're as cruel and nasty to them as we can get away with, that'll totally disincentive further asylum seeking!" However, while your moral depravity and cruelty and violations of international law, serve to make their lives and their children's lives worse, it seems unlikely to serve the purpose of disincentivising people who are fleeing for their lives already from applying for asylum. Furthermore one expert I was listening to yesterday was commenting that most of these people are neither well-educated nor have the ability to access international news, so have no idea what sort of reception they are likely to expect when they reach the US, and won't hear the news that Trump is trying to disincentivise immigrants by treating them as cruelly as possible.
P.S. Since US conservatives seem to have a poor understand of the sorts of situation these refugee families are fleeing. Let's review, of the 20 most dangerous countries in the world several of them are in latin America:
#1 Colombia
BACRIM, armed gangs, are responsible for kidnappings, drug trafficking, and robberies that occur throughout the country, while acts of terrorism, like explosions, are common in many big cities like Bogota.
#3 El Salvador
Besides having one of the world's highest homicide levels, El Salvador is also known for its many gangs, which are known as maras. Gang violence includes everything from extortion to arms and drug trafficking.
#6 Venezuela
Shortages of basic goods such as water, food, medicine, and electricity have lead to much social unrest and crime throughout Venezuela. The country has one of the highest crime rates in the world; armed robbery, murder, kidnapping, and carjacking are all common forms of violence in much of the country. The US Department of State warns against travel to Venezuela.
#9 Honduras
Honduras is home to one of the world's highest murder rates. The department of Gracias a Dios in particular is plagued with crime and drug trafficking, and also lacks police or military presence. Tegucigalpa, San Pedro Sula, and La Ceiba are other dangerous areas; 70% of US citizen homicides in the last seven years happened in these districts.
#16 Guatemala
Guatemala's border with Mexico is one of the most dangerous parts of the country because of frequent drug and alien smuggling. The country also had the fifth highest homicide rate in Latin America and the Caribbean last year. Other common crimes include carjacking, armed robbery, and theft.
But I do blame people who think they need to punish the downtrodden extra-hard in order to try to prevent families who are in a desperate situation from stealing that loaf of bread. I think Jesus was fairly clear where he thought Pharisees like that would end up.Last edited by Starlight; 06-24-2018, 04:59 AM."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAnd, despite the Nazi-style racist rhetoric about immigrants “infesting our country,” there has been no significant surge of border crossings from Mexico or Central America. In fact, border arrests show a steady decline over the past two decades.
More than a year after the inauguration of a president who promised to seal the U.S. border, something surprising is happening: The number of people entering illegally from Mexican territory has jumped. Figures for apprehensions, a widely used barometer for unauthorized traffic, nearly tripled from March through May compared with the same three months in 2017.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...?noredirect=onRemember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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It's easy to triple the number of apprehensions when you actually enforce the law. This is common sense, something liberals are in short supply of.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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What a crock of fetid dingo's kidneys."Obama is not a brown-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You are thinking of Jesus." Episcopal Bishop of Arizona
I remember WinAce. Gone but not forgotten.
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Originally posted by kiwimac View PostWhat a crock of fetid dingo's kidneys."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostFake News! Wapo for you:
No wonder he has no qualms about using the suffering of immigrant brown children to maintain the loyalty of his base and it's interesting that his base consists largely of Evangelical Christians. Obviously Trump speaks to their values“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIf you don't think Trump referring to refugee asylum-seekers “infesting our country,” is Nazi-style racist rhetoric how would you characterise it? What about refugees coming from "blank-hole" African countries rather than nice white countries like Norway? Or "Mexicans bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists" etc.? Notice the pattern here?
Stupid! Most illegals go to US to do serf jobs, not people who need asylum.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostNot sure what you're referring to in particular. Prolly MM's previous post I guess. But the creative language gets an amen in and of itself.
Anyway...
Why do you suppose border apprehensions suddenly tripled? Gee, that's a tough one.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostMore Fake News from Tassman? Big shock.
Stupid! Most illegals go to US to do serf jobs, not people who need asylum.
Or do you mean the vast "majority who have fled to Belize, Mexico, and the United States, and increasingly to Costa Rica and Panama in search of refugee protection [from] forced recruitment into armed criminal gangs and death threats,".
https://www.voanews.com/a/alarming-r...a/4407945.html“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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