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    Quote Originally Posted by lee_merrill View Post
    Well, if the eleven believed that Jesus had risen as a spirit, then why didn't they believe it was him when they saw him (as they thought) as a ghost?

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    I'm not sure I understand this question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee_merrill View Post
    Well, if the eleven believed that Jesus had risen as a spirit, then why didn't they believe it was him when they saw him (as they thought) as a ghost?

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    The eleven would not have believed that Jesus had risen as a spirit. In that culture, a spirit is dead, not risen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    The eleven would not have believed that Jesus had risen as a spirit. In that culture, a spirit is dead, not risen.
    That raises the question as to why Jesus rebuked them for their unbelief in the first place. In Luke 24:34 the disciples acknowledges that Jesus has risen, and has even shown himself to Peter, but when he appears to them in verses 36-43 he has to convince them he has a physical body, and is not a ghost/spirit. If the disciples really believed Jesus had indeed risen, and "risen" always refers to something physical it seems to me the disciples wouldn't have needed any convincing from Jesus in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrawnus View Post
    That raises the question as to why Jesus rebuked them for their unbelief in the first place. In Luke 24:34 the disciples acknowledges that Jesus has risen, and has even shown himself to Peter, but when he appears to them in verses 36-43 he has to convince them he has a physical body, and is not a ghost/spirit. If the disciples really believed Jesus had indeed risen, and "risen" always refers to something physical it seems to me the disciples wouldn't have needed any convincing from Jesus in the first place.
    but... they DIDN'T believe he had indeed risen; that's why they needed convincing. Whatever belief they declared in verse 34 clearly wasn't very deep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lee_merrill View Post
    But John "saw and believed"! (John 20:8) Even when he didn't understand from Scripture that Jesus would rise from the dead. But in any case, the disciples believed the two from Emmaus, saying "It is true! The Lord has risen..."

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    He said "they." And yes, John did believe. As did Mary who saw Jesus herself.
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    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    but... they DIDN'T believe he had indeed risen; that's why they needed convincing. Whatever belief they declared in verse 34 clearly wasn't very deep.
    I think what happened instead is that they believed Jesus was risen, and yet doubted that it was Jesus who was appearing to them. Jesus had to convince them that "it is I myself."

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