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    I have to say that I have mixed feeling about this. My perspective is that two of the people who most step up to lie for Trump are Sarah Sanders and Kellyanne Conway. Next to Trump, these ladies most make my hair crawl and I usually change the channel fairly quickly. I'm not a fan of obfuscation and "pivot" and spin (MM's opinion not withstanding). Miller and Bannon are the next two that I have a real hard time listening to.

    Still, Sarah Sanders is espousing political views and obfuscates for her boss. She is not a member of the KKK or a neo Nazi organization. And she recently had the dignity to refuse to do a press conference in the face of the child separation issue.

    I find it unacceptable that she was refused service, and I think the proprietor's reasons for asking her to leave were unacceptable. I do understand the proprietor's feelings. But I think his choice was wrong.
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

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  • #2
    Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    I have to say that I have mixed feeling about this. My perspective is that two of the people who most step up to lie for Trump are Sarah Sanders and Kellyanne Conway. Next to Trump, these ladies most make my hair crawl and I usually change the channel fairly quickly. I'm not a fan of obfuscation and "pivot" and spin (MM's opinion not withstanding). Miller and Bannon are the next two that I have a real hard time listening to.

    Still, Sarah Sanders is espousing political views and obfuscates for her boss. She is not a member of the KKK or a neo Nazi organization. And she recently had the dignity to refuse to do a press conference in the face of the child separation issue.

    I find it unacceptable that she was refused service, and I think the proprietor's reasons for asking her to leave were unacceptable. I do understand the proprietor's feelings. But I think his choice was wrong.

    In light of your moral position on bakers and wedding cakes, it's inconsistent of you to have any mixed feelings at all.
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    • #3
      I believe private owners should have the legal right to throw out any persons for any reason. But having the right does not make it right. She should not have been refused service -- nor should some opposite-side turd like Schumer or Schiff.

      I'm about as much of a free-speech absolutist as one can be. Still, I would make an exception for harassment of the kind that Secretary Nielson and her family were subjected to several days ago. Those hecklers should have been arrested.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
        I have to say that I have mixed feeling about this. My perspective is that two of the people who most step up to lie for Trump...
        And that's where I stopped reading. Your perspective warped by liberalism is unlikely to lead to any insightful conclusions.
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        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


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        • #5
          I would FAR rather be refused service by somebody who hated me than served ... um... "doctored" food.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            I would FAR rather be refused service by somebody who hated me than served ... um... "doctored" food.
            Why would anyone in their right mind force someone who hated them prepare the food they and their friends and family were going to eat? And the food preparer wouldn't even have to do a Jesse Jackson (who admitted to spitting into the food of white customers when he was a waiter) but simply (as in the case of baking a cake) make the "simple honest mistake" of adding too much vanilla extract or forget an ingredient, then apologize profusely and offer to forgo any payment or refund it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              Why would anyone in their right mind force someone who hated them prepare the food they and their friends and family were going to eat?
              So do you not think legally forcing an end to Jim-Crow segregation, including legally forcing diners that were 'whites-only' to serve black people as well, was a good idea?
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #8
                Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                I have to say that I have mixed feeling about this. My perspective is that two of the people who most step up to lie for Trump are Sarah Sanders and Kellyanne Conway. Next to Trump, these ladies most make my hair crawl and I usually change the channel fairly quickly. I'm not a fan of obfuscation and "pivot" and spin (MM's opinion not withstanding). Miller and Bannon are the next two that I have a real hard time listening to.

                Still, Sarah Sanders is espousing political views and obfuscates for her boss. She is not a member of the KKK or a neo Nazi organization. And she recently had the dignity to refuse to do a press conference in the face of the child separation issue.

                I find it unacceptable that she was refused service, and I think the proprietor's reasons for asking her to leave were unacceptable. I do understand the proprietor's feelings. But I think his choice was wrong.
                I see a big difference between refusing service over some personal attribute (race, gender, sexuality, religion, divorcee, party affiliation etc) and refusing service as a political protest because the person is actively complicit in a major crime.

                When it gets to the point where the UN is repeatedly speaking out about what the administration is doing, you're allowed to hold the people in that administration to account.

                Here's what Sarah Sanders could do to get completely off the hook IMO. She could call a press conference and say something like:

                Over the past weeks, I personally have been horrified by the pictures and footage we have been seeing of the children being separated from their families and caged.

                As a mother myself, and as a human being, this is utterly unacceptable to me. I condemn it utterly. It is indefensible.

                I do not support the Trump administrations actions in any way on this topic or their position on this.

                I have considered tendering my resignation due to my outrage on this issue. However, after some consideration I have decided that by staying on and fighting for what is right, I can do more good than if I were to leave and to have someone who agreed with the administration's policy take over my position. I think that in light of the severity of this issue, good communication between the people of America and their president is especially critical, and as press secretary I hope that I can continue to provide clear communication channels to help resolve these issues quickly.

                Let me be clear, that in my job as press secretary, I am a messenger conveying President Trump's opinions to the media. They are not my opinions. I am telling you what he thinks, not what I think. There is a clear difference, especially on this issue.

                Thank you.

                Now Trump might fire her for that, but he seems to hate actually firing people (despite enjoying doing it on TV) and prefers to try to make life horrible for them until they resign. But at least it would make it clear to the world that she herself is not complicit. Because up til now, she has been one of the people who it seems is most willing to lie in order to protect Trump and his policies. Although Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen seems to be trying pretty hard to set new world records in that regard.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  So do you not think legally forcing an end to Jim-Crow segregation, including legally forcing diners that were 'whites-only' to serve black people as well, was a good idea?
                  Diners that discriminated were typically segregated by where patrons could sit not by who could eat there. And it was a time that many towns only had a few places you could eat out at unlike today when choices are plentiful. But personally if I was black I wouldn't want to eat the food made for me by someone who hated me for the reasons given.

                  And Jim Crow laws were just that. Laws. It was governments passing rules enforcing segregation.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post

                    And Jim Crow laws were just that. Laws. It was governments passing rules enforcing segregation.
                    The Jim Crow Laws were governments passing rules enforcing segregation, which were supported by the majority of the population. Their abolition was actively resisted.
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                    • #11
                      Sarah Sanders is apparently also a supporter of stores who refuse to serve gay people. So there seems a bit of ironic justice in this situation.

                      The shopkeeper should just say "sorry ma'am, you look lesbian and I don't serve lesbians". Presumably Sarah Sanders would leave with a smile on her face and praising God...?
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        Sarah Sanders is apparently also a supporter of stores who refuse to serve gay people. So there seems a bit of ironic justice in this situation.
                        It might explain why she left quietly without creating a scene and suing the restaurant with the intent of putting them out of business. There just might be a lesson there.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          It might explain why she left quietly without creating a scene and suing the restaurant with the intent of putting them out of business. There just might be a lesson there.
                          That bullies are actually shown to be cowards inside when people stand up to them.
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            That bullies are actually shown to be cowards inside when people stand up to them.
                            So in starlight's twisted worldview she should have raised a ruckus and maybe punched the owner in the nose (behavior which you have said you support for those you disagree with)

                            What you call cowardice I call class.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
                              In light of your moral position on bakers and wedding cakes, it's inconsistent of you to have any mixed feelings at all.
                              I said I had mixed "feelings," Max - not "mixed morality." My moral framework says the choice of the restaurant owner was wrong. My feelings empathize with their decision. No one likes to support and endorse liars. So sometimes "feelings" and "morality" are in opposition.
                              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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