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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI see a big difference between refusing service over some personal attribute (race, gender, sexuality, religion, divorcee, party affiliation etc) and refusing service as a political protest because the person is actively complicit in a major crime.
When it gets to the point where the UN is repeatedly speaking out about what the administration is doing, you're allowed to hold the people in that administration to account.
Here's what Sarah Sanders could do to get completely off the hook IMO. She could call a press conference and say something like:
Over the past weeks, I personally have been horrified by the pictures and footage we have been seeing of the children being separated from their families and caged.
As a mother myself, and as a human being, this is utterly unacceptable to me. I condemn it utterly. It is indefensible.
I do not support the Trump administrations actions in any way on this topic or their position on this.
I have considered tendering my resignation due to my outrage on this issue. However, after some consideration I have decided that by staying on and fighting for what is right, I can do more good than if I were to leave and to have someone who agreed with the administration's policy take over my position. I think that in light of the severity of this issue, good communication between the people of America and their president is especially critical, and as press secretary I hope that I can continue to provide clear communication channels to help resolve these issues quickly.
Let me be clear, that in my job as press secretary, I am a messenger conveying President Trump's opinions to the media. They are not my opinions. I am telling you what he thinks, not what I think. There is a clear difference, especially on this issue.
Thank you.
Now Trump might fire her for that, but he seems to hate actually firing people (despite enjoying doing it on TV) and prefers to try to make life horrible for them until they resign. But at least it would make it clear to the world that she herself is not complicit. Because up til now, she has been one of the people who it seems is most willing to lie in order to protect Trump and his policies. Although Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen seems to be trying pretty hard to set new world records in that regard.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostSarah Sanders is apparently also a supporter of stores who refuse to serve gay people. So there seems a bit of ironic justice in this situation.
The shopkeeper should just say "sorry ma'am, you look lesbian and I don't serve lesbians". Presumably Sarah Sanders would leave with a smile on her face and praising God...?
(FTR, I myself DO support the RIGHT of store owners to refuse service to any person for any reason. As noted earlier, I support repeal of at least portions of the 1964 Civil Rights Act so as to restore legality to this right.)Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostJust for fun, prove you're not a liar and slanderer and child of the devil: Show me where she supported stores refusing to "serve gay people," as opposed to refusing to provide services for specific events such as gay marriage.
(FTR, I myself DO support the RIGHT of store owners to refuse service to any person for any reason. As noted earlier, I support repeal of at least portions of the 1964 Civil Rights Act so as to restore legality to this right.)The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Maxine Waters steps on crazy pedal
“History will record while he tried to step on all of us, we kicked him in his rear and step on him,” she yelled, whipping up the crowd.
“If you think we’re rallying now, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet,” she warned.
“Already, you have members of your Cabinet that are being booed out of restaurants,” she continued as the crowd erupted, “who have protesters taking up at their house, who say, ‘No peace, no sleep. No peace, no sleep,'” she continued.
“And guess what,” she predicted, “we’re going to win this battle because while you try and quote the Bible, Jeff Sessions and others, you really don’t know the Bible.
“God is on OUR side!” she declared, as the crowd went wild. “On the side of the children. On the side of what’s right. On the side of what’s honorable.”
“And so, let’s stay the course. Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up and if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere,” she yelled.
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/max...s-on-our-side/Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd that's where I stopped reading. Your perspective warped by liberalism is unlikely to lead to any insightful conclusions.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThat bullies are actually shown to be cowards inside when people stand up to them.
Personally I think anyone should be able to refuse service to anyone. Like it was said above, everyone should have the right, but it doesn't make it "right".
The market pressure will take care of it. If a restaurant would refuse to serve blacks, they would probably go out of business pretty quick. And if this restaurant gets repercussions for their choice to not serve Sarah then that too is market pressure. This isn't 1950.
Now I also believe the market pressure has to be legal. Like a boycott. Not making threats against the owners or the business, like some people did to the Pizza parlor who got death threats when they refused to cater a gay wedding.
I do find it hypocritical that you seem to think this refusal is OK but not the gay wedding refusals. Both were refusals based on the owner's moral convictions:
Originally posted by Article in OPApparently the owner didn’t want to serve her and her party out of moral conviction,” he wrote.
Shortly after, hundreds of reviews started flooding into The Red Hen’s Yelp and Facebook pages from both Democrats and Republicans, ranging from one star to five stars. Most reviewers thanked the restaurant for taking a moral stand.Last edited by Sparko; 06-25-2018, 07:34 AM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo if she raised hell, then she would be a hypocrite, but since she didn't she is a coward. Nice, Starlight."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostSarah Sanders is apparently also a supporter of stores who refuse to serve gay people.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThat bullies are actually shown to be cowards inside when people stand up to them.
And having the wisdom and grace to peacefully leave a place where they have demonstrated such hate is "being a coward"?
This shows how screwed up leftist thinking really is.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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According to the left it is cause to celebrate when someone is ejected from a restaurant for their political views, but if we try to kick an illegal alien out of the country it is to be opposed and protested.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo if she raised hell, then she would be a hypocrite, but since she didn't she is a coward. Nice, Starlight.
Personally I think anyone should be able to refuse service to anyone. Like it was said above, everyone should have the right, but it doesn't make it "right".
The market pressure will take care of it. If a restaurant would refuse to serve blacks, they would probably go out of business pretty quick. And if this restaurant gets repercussions for their choice to not serve Sarah then that too is market pressure. This isn't 1950.
Now I also believe the market pressure has to be legal. Like a boycott. Not making threats against the owners or the business, like some people did to the Pizza parlor who got death threats when they refused to cater a gay wedding.
I do find it hypocritical that you seem to think this refusal is OK but not the gay wedding refusals. Both were refusals based on the owner's moral convictions:
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, refusing to serve her food is "standing up to her"?
And having the wisdom and grace to peacefully leave a place where they have demonstrated such hate is "being a coward"?
This shows how screwed up leftist thinking really is.
Starlight just wanted to set up a no-win scenario because he is such a hateful person. No matter what she does, she is either a hypocrite or a coward (or both as he said later). The only way to redeem herself in his eyes is to be a traitor to Trump.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAccording to the left it is cause to celebrate when someone is ejected from a restaurant for their political views, but if we try to kick an illegal alien out of the country it is to be opposed and protested.
Just another example of:
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