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  • #16
    Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
    Yeah, I probably shouldn't comment on stuff like this when I haven't listened to the audio....
    Oh I'm reasonably sure you're not the first to do that...
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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    • #17
      Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
      . . .I think the idea of god is losing its grip on humanity.
      Christianity has been expecting this for almost as long as Christianity has existed.
      Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
        Christianity has been expecting this for almost as long as Christianity has existed.
        Yeah - that's true. Early Christians believed the end-times were quite near at hand. Since then, we have had leader after leader prophesying end times. And yet, here we are.

        Perhaps the end-times so long anticipated is actually the end of Christianity? I doubt that will happen in my lifetime, and I suspect every existing religion will always have some adherents. After all, we still have flat-earthers and young-earthers. We also have those who worship the Greek, Roman, and Egyptian gods. I suspect every belief ever conceived exists somewhere on Earth today.
        The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

        I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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        • #19
          Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
          Yeah - that's true. Early Christians believed the end-times were quite near at hand. Since then, we have had leader after leader prophesying end times. And yet, here we are.

          Perhaps the end-times so long anticipated is actually the end of Christianity? I doubt that will happen in my lifetime, and I suspect every existing religion will always have some adherents. After all, we still have flat-earthers and young-earthers. We also have those who worship the Greek, Roman, and Egyptian gods. I suspect every belief ever conceived exists somewhere on Earth today.

          My view reflects the Baha'i Faith where we do indeed physically and spiritually evolve, and yes give up ancient mythology and beliefs in God that are no longer relevant to the contemporary world. I pretty much concluded personally that either humanity spiritually evolves universally through Revelation, or as carpedm9587 believes we evolve to give up the God(s) that do not exist.
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          Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
          Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
          But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

          go with the flow the river knows . . .

          Frank

          I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by carpe
            Perhaps the end-times so long anticipated is actually the end of Christianity?
            It will be the end of Christianity and, in fact, every "religion". It will be a theocracy, and it will be the end of all who don't believe in Christ.


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            • #21
              Originally posted by mossrose View Post
              It will be the end of Christianity and, in fact, every "religion". It will be a theocracy, and it will be the end of all who don't believe in Christ.
              "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Matthew 16:28

              What went wrong?
              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                Yeah - that's true. Early Christians believed the end-times were quite near at hand. Since then, we have had leader after leader prophesying end times. And yet, here we are.

                Perhaps the end-times so long anticipated is actually the end of Christianity? I doubt that will happen in my lifetime, and I suspect every existing religion will always have some adherents. After all, we still have flat-earthers and young-earthers. We also have those who worship the Greek, Roman, and Egyptian gods. I suspect every belief ever conceived exists somewhere on Earth today.
                I made no reference to the end-times at all. I commented on the idea of god is losing its grip on humanity. We expect a turn away from God. The fact that it relates to the end times is not on the table in my comment.
                Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                  "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Matthew 16:28

                  What went wrong?
                  Nothing, except in your little mind.

                  Read the rest of this:

                  Like Matthew 10:23, this text has also been the source of much debate. Davies and Allison survey some eight different interpretations that have been proposed.i Among the more prominent interpretations is the idea that “coming of the Son of Man” in view here is the transfiguration, which is narrated in the following chapter.ii Some suggest that Jesus is referring to his resurrection or to Pentecost. Others suggest that Jesus is referring to the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.iii Then there are those who believe Jesus is speaking here of his Second Coming and of the end of history. Among those holding this view, there are those who believe Jesus was mistaken because he believed this would occur within the lifetime of his hearers, and there are those who believe that Jesus was correct because the “some standing here” refers to a later generation.iv
                  https://www.ligonier.org/blog/some-s...l-eschatology/


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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                    Nothing, except in your little mind.

                    Read the rest of this:



                    https://www.ligonier.org/blog/some-s...l-eschatology/
                    My "little mind" gets confused. Which of the rationalisations as to why Jesus got it wrong is this? Is it Partial Preterism or Full Preterism) or Postmillennialism, or Inaugurated eschatology...so many to choose from!
                    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                      I don't think biological evolution is the only form of evolution there is.



                      Yeah, this one wasn't so hot. If the god notion of god has always been a god of the gaps, then the idea that such a god would be less relevant/necessary follows pretty naturally. The speakers were clear that they were not debating the existence of god, merely the necessity of god in the face of growing knowledge and understanding of our world and our societies. I was fascinated because it is essentially my experience, and my observation of the pattern of history. It also explains the surge of secularism and the retrenchment of religions. "Nones" are now the fastest growing population segment (from a religious perspective).
                      Not everyone believes the God of the gaps theory and even at that, there’s still plenty of gaps.
                      "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                      GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                        "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Matthew 16:28

                        What went wrong?
                        I see Tasman didn’t read chapter 17. The transfiguration is commonly cited as being what Jesus was talking about.
                        "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                        GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                          It will be the end of Christianity and, in fact, every "religion". It will be a theocracy, and it will be the end of all who don't believe in Christ.
                          I am familiar with the belief. It's not mine
                          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                            I made no reference to the end-times at all. I commented on the idea of god is losing its grip on humanity. We expect a turn away from God. The fact that it relates to the end times is not on the table in my comment.
                            My bad. I misunderstood your post.
                            The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                            I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                              Not everyone believes the God of the gaps theory and even at that, there’s still plenty of gaps.
                              That much I know. But it is my impression that "god of the gaps" was the very foundation of theistic beliefs, so there are still widespread vestiges of these roots.

                              An example is the argument from first causes. At the end of the day, we really cannot say anything about what lies "before" or "outside" the known universe, because our knowledge of "how stuff works" is necessarily limited to what lies within the universe. We don't even know if the words "before" and "outside" have any meaning in that context. Yet it does not stop people from using these arguments as a basis for postulating the existence of god. That is either a very poor form of argumentation, or it is an appeal to the "god of the gaps." (i.e., we do not know any other explanation, so god must have done it).
                              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                                I am familiar with the belief. It's not mine
                                Well, it's mine.



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