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  • Three irrefutable miracles.

    1) Creation (the natural revelation).

    2) Special revelation of Holy Scripture (the 66 book Bible).

    3) Salvation (By God's grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone).

    Mere denial does not refute anything.
    . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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    Not all Christians would agree to the "66 book" Bible.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 37818 View Post
      1) Creation (the natural revelation).

      2) Special revelation of Holy Scripture (the 66 book Bible).

      3) Salvation (By God's grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone).

      Mere denial does not refute anything.
      Nothing here to refute. These are simply subjective anecdotal beliefs based on faith and not miracles. There is not any objective verifiable evidence to support these beliefs.
      Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
      Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
      But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

      go with the flow the river knows . . .

      Frank

      I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
        Nothing here to refute. These are simply subjective anecdotal beliefs based on faith and not miracles. There is not any objective verifiable evidence to support these beliefs.
        Your very argument is your own subjective anecdotal belief.
        . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

        . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

        Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          Not all Christians would agree to the "66 book" Bible.
          Either those 66 books are the whole Bible or they are not. Those who deny the word of God do so because they are wrong (Matthew 4:4; John 8:47).
          . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

          . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

          Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 37818 View Post
            Either those 66 books are the whole Bible or they are not. Those who deny the word of God do so because they are wrong (Matthew 4:4; John 8:47).
            It's not that those other Christians reject the 66 books; it's that they esteem more books than 66.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 37818 View Post
              1) Creation (the natural revelation).

              2) Special revelation of Holy Scripture (the 66 book Bible).

              3) Salvation (By God's grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone).

              Mere denial does not refute anything.
              Mere assertion doesn't need refuting.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                Your very argument is your own subjective anecdotal belief.
                Could be, but 'Begging the Question' does not offer a coherent argument.
                Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                go with the flow the river knows . . .

                Frank

                I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by thewriteranon View Post
                  It's not that those other Christians reject the 66 books; it's that they esteem more books than 66.
                  I was speaking of any who reject the word of God, so regarding professing Christians who reject those extra books being the word of God, and those extra books also being the word of God. How does Matthew 4:4 affect them? How does John 8:47 affect them?
                  Last edited by 37818; 06-26-2018, 02:04 PM.
                  . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                  . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                    Could be, but 'Begging the Question' does not offer a coherent argument.
                    What was the question?
                    . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                      Mere denial does not refute anything.
                      True, but neither does mere assertion prove anything.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Doug Shaver View Post
                        True, but neither does mere assertion prove anything.
                        Those three miracles are not mere assertions.
                        . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                        . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                        Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                          1) Creation (the natural revelation).

                          2) Special revelation of Holy Scripture (the 66 book Bible).

                          3) Salvation (By God's grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone).

                          Mere denial does not refute anything.
                          The first and second 'solas' are mutually exclusive (and aren't you missing a couple? I thought there were 5, not 3).
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                            Those three miracles are not mere assertions.
                            What is the objective basis behind the assertions that would make them more than mere assertions.
                            Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                            Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                            But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                            go with the flow the river knows . . .

                            Frank

                            I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                              The first and second 'solas' are mutually exclusive (and aren't you missing a couple? I thought there were 5, not 3).
                              Sola scriptura
                              Sola fide
                              Sola gratia
                              Solus Christus
                              Soli Deo gloria

                              But you knew that.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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