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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    Mere denial does not refute anything.
    True, but neither does mere assertion prove anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Shaver View Post
    True, but neither does mere assertion prove anything.
    Those three miracles are not mere assertions.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    1) Creation (the natural revelation).

    2) Special revelation of Holy Scripture (the 66 book Bible).

    3) Salvation (By God's grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone).

    Mere denial does not refute anything.
    The first and second 'solas' are mutually exclusive (and aren't you missing a couple? I thought there were 5, not 3).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    Those three miracles are not mere assertions.
    What is the objective basis behind the assertions that would make them more than mere assertions.
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    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    The first and second 'solas' are mutually exclusive (and aren't you missing a couple? I thought there were 5, not 3).
    Sola scriptura
    Sola fide
    Sola gratia
    Solus Christus
    Soli Deo gloria

    But you knew that.
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Sola scriptura
    Sola fide
    Sola gratia
    Solus Christus
    Soli Deo gloria

    But you knew that.
    Actually, I had to look it up - never had a strong grounding in Reformation apologetics, or Reformed theology. I remembered we had a member on Tweb long, long ago who went by "5solas".
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Actually, I had to look it up - never had a strong grounding in Reformation apologetics, or Reformed theology. I remembered we had a member on Tweb long, long ago who went by "5solas".
    Ah. I thought, for some reason, you were big on the historicity of this. I only knew it because we shared our building with a Lutheran congregation for 5 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    1) Creation (the natural revelation).

    2) Special revelation of Holy Scripture (the 66 book Bible).

    3) Salvation (By God's grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone).

    Mere denial does not refute anything.
    There are alternative explanations for the "miracles" you've listed, therefore there are possible refutations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    What is the objective basis behind the assertions that would make them more than mere assertions.
    The universe being the evidence of creation.

    That there is actually a 66 book Bible which is cited to be written word of God.

    And there are Christians who know God through faith in His Christ who died for sins of mankind and rose from the dead to justify that faith.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    There are alternative explanations for the "miracles" you've listed, therefore there are possible refutations.
    Well give them.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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