Roe V Wade Is Doomed...

[Tassman]

Even if you don't accept that life begins at conception, the fact that there is both a heartbeat (between 5½ and 7 weeks) and brain activity (6 to 6½ weeks) indicates that at 12 weeks they are snuffing out a life

Just what is the significance of an insensate, fetus without a functioning brain, that is unable to survive outside the mother's body? Does the mother have no rights of her own?

[Cow Poke]

Just what is the significance of an insensate, fetus without a functioning brain, that is unable to survive outside the mother's body?

When my wife (and many other women) had a miscarriage before our first daughter was born, she grieved. Not because she lost "an insensate fetus without a function brain", but because she lost her baby.

Does the mother have no rights of her own?

Rights come with responsibilities. To claim one and dismiss the other is the height of arrogance.

[One Bad Pig]

Yet another Rogue ‘Proof by Verbosity’ argument, with carefully selected quotes strung together to make your case seem overwhelming. But you are conflating political victories in retaining abortion rights (against the opposition of judgemental people like you) with personal feelings of women who choose to terminate pregnancies. Women do not generally speaking go around celebrating the termination of their fetus. It is a difficult decision for just about any woman to make. Sympathy for them and their difficult decisions is more appropriate than callously attacking them.

Yet another handwave and mischaracterization of the facts provided from Tassman, evincing his inability to deal with the facts and usual doubling down on an assertion he couldn't back up in the first place.

[Cow Poke]

Women do not generally speaking go around celebrating the termination of their fetus.

Even Planned Parenthood calls it "your future baby". And, you're correct - they don't generally go around celebrating (the abortionists do that for them, as Rogue has pointed out) and sometimes they deal with extreme grief, and even suicide.

It is a difficult decision for just about any woman to make.

It becomes less difficult when they know the facts, and decide on life instead of murder.

Sympathy for them and their difficult decisions is more appropriate than callously attacking them.

Wow, the smoke from that straw man argument can be seen for miles and miles!

[Cow Poke]

Does the mother have no rights of her own?

A) If she had her baby killed, she's no longer a mother. That was a slip-up on your part. (assuming she has no other children, of course)
2) While you are pretending to be concerned about the "mother", you might consider the health of the mother after abortion...

A Study of Suffering After Abortion

The debate over the impact of abortion on mental health has been under discussion for many years. Dr. Julius Fogel, a psychiatrist and an abortionist referred to the psychological disturbance abortion caused in his own patients back in the late 80s. He said in an interview published in Wanderer magazine on April 13, 1989, “I’ve had patients who had an abortion a year or two ago...women who did the best thing at the time for themselves… but it still bothers them. Many come in…some are just mute, some hostile. Some burst out crying…there is no question in my mind that we are disturbing a life process. The trauma may sink into the unconscious and never surface in the woman’s lifetime…but a psychological price is paid. It may be alienation, it may be pushing away from human warmth, perhaps a hardening of the maternal instinct. Something happens on the deeper levels of a woman’s consciousness when she destroys a pregnancy. I know this as a psychiatrist.”

As a graduate student at the time, I was aware that the commonly held assumption was that women with mental health conditions would benefit from abortion when facing an unplanned pregnancy. Over the years, experience proved to many professional caregivers that abortion in such cases usually exacerbated distress, especially where some form of coercion existed.

This study provides some scientific support to the huge anecdotal evidence of the emotional suffering many suffer from abortion.

[Tassman]

When my wife (and many other women) had a miscarriage before our first daughter was born, she grieved. Not because she lost "an insensate fetus without a function brain", but because she lost her baby.

A personal tragedy no doubt and one with which I have reason to identify. This doesn't alter the reality that that during the first trimester, when virtually all terminations occur, the embryo/fetus is insensate and has no functioning brain.

Rights come with responsibilities. To claim one and dismiss the other is the height of arrogance.

What are the rights of the mother? Does she have any in your judgemental scenario or is she getting what she deserves for her reckless promiscuity. What about abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother?

[Cow Poke]

A personal tragedy no doubt and one with which I have reason to identify.

It is not at all uncommon.

This doesn't alter the reality that that during the first trimester, when virtually all terminations occur, the embryo/fetus is insensate and has no functioning brain.

A) You realize that last part pretty well describes you, yes? (Kidding, Tass)
2) So, you're against ALL abortions after the first trimester?

What are the rights of the mother?

How can she be a mother if it's only an insensate mass with no brain function?

Does she have any in your judgemental scenario

Wow - what "scenario" is that .... that I state that rights come with responsibility?

or is she getting what she deserves for her reckless promiscuity. What about abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother?

You're a broken record on this, Tass --- asked and answered over and over and over.... somebody needs to give your player a little bump so it can go on to the next song.

[Tassman]

A) You realize that last part pretty well describes you, yes? (Kidding, Tass)

2) So, you're against ALL abortions after the first trimester?

I identify with the Roe v Wade Trimester system: The court's judgement was based on the decision that a woman's right to terminate her pregnancy came under the freedom of personal choice in family matters as protected by the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution.

The case created the "trimester" system that:

Gives American women an absolute right to an abortion in the first three months of pregnancy

allows some government regulation in the second trimester of pregnancy

declares that states may restrict or ban abortions in the last trimester as the foetus nears the point where it could live outside the womb; in this trimester a woman can obtain an abortion despite any legal ban only if doctors certify it is necessary to save her life or health.

[Leonhard]

Even if you don't accept that life begins at conception, the fact that there is both a heartbeat (between 5½ and 7 weeks) and brain activity (6 to 6½ weeks) indicates that at 12 weeks they are snuffing out a life

Hey I'm with you. Life begins at conception to me. I was just pointing out that limitations weren't unreasonable by example of another country that had them.