Cow Poke Could Conceivably be Not Wrong

[Teallaura]

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HOW is betraying your BASE a winning strategy?!?!?! Does this child not understand that a lot of social conservatives came into the party fold holding their noses - and many still do? The Republican grip on the socially conservative base has always been problematic - why why do insane things that make it WORSE? Does she really think Trump's support came from a desire to uphold the status quo?

So yeah, CP might be right - Republicans may just prefer their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory...

[One Bad Pig]

You mean their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?

[Teallaura]

You mean their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?

`Yeah, that one - look, it's hard enough admitting that he might be... not wrong... okay?







Went and fixed it to promote greater confusion...

Worse, I'd actually reread it just before posting originally...

[Cow Poke]

Yeah!

[KingsGambit]

You're extrapolating about Republicans based on one pundit?

[Teallaura]

You're extrapolating about Republicans based on one pundit?

Pretty much - that and party precedent.

It ticked me off, okay? We've waited forty plus years to get within solid striking distance - and the ever popular 'let's cave on social issues because we wanna win' canard gets dropped.


Caving on social issues has cost the Republicans cumulatively over the years - a lot of former Democrats were slow to come into the Republican camp because of its notorious disdain for social conservatives.

[psstein]

National Review had a good article today about how most abortion arguments rely upon Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which is why the screeching over Roe is ridiculous. It's worth a read.

[Sparko]

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke

[rogue06]

Cow Poke Could Conceivably be Not Wrong

ECREE!!!1!!11!eleventy-one!

[MaxVel]

Cow Poke Could Conceivably be Not Wrong

It's them there End Times fer sure!

[Cow Poke]

It's them there End Times fer sure!

I can see 'em from my house!

[KingsGambit]

Pretty much - that and party precedent.

It ticked me off, okay? We've waited forty plus years to get within solid striking distance - and the ever popular 'let's cave on social issues because we wanna win' canard gets dropped.


Caving on social issues has cost the Republicans cumulatively over the years - a lot of former Democrats were slow to come into the Republican camp because of its notorious disdain for social conservatives.

I've had no faith Republicans would actually successfully pro-life policies, at least on a national level and on most state levels as well, because there's just enough loyal opposition to scuttle any of it (Susan Collins, for one). In my state, conservatives ran from the pro-life position like flies after Todd Akin's gaffe a few years ago, and they even had all the power. It wasn't even worth defending.

One of my best friends growing up is now a top level political operative in the state I grew up with and he told me the Republicans have no intention of actually banning abortion because they profit too much from exploiting it as a wedge issue. I didn't believe him then but now I'm not so sure.

[Cow Poke]

One of my best friends growing up is now a top level political operative in the state I grew up with and he told me the Republicans have no intention of actually banning abortion because they profit too much from exploiting it as a wedge issue. I didn't believe him then but now I'm not so sure.

I think both sides are guilty of giving lip service to things they really don't want to "solve", because they can always raise money on the threat of being outvoted or "gosh, we just need more cash". Current border crisis is, to me, an excellent example.

[rogue06]

I've had no faith Republicans would actually successfully pro-life policies, at least on a national level and on most state levels as well, because there's just enough loyal opposition to scuttle any of it (Susan Collins, for one). In my state, conservatives ran from the pro-life position like flies after Todd Akin's gaffe a few years ago, and they even had all the power. It wasn't even worth defending.

One of my best friends growing up is now a top level political operative in the state I grew up with and he told me the Republicans have no intention of actually banning abortion because they profit too much from exploiting it as a wedge issue. I didn't believe him then but now I'm not so sure.

Unfortunately I think you are absolutely correct. It's just like with Obamacare. Republicans bellowed that if they got control of the House of Representatives they'd repeal it. First they got the House and they did nothing saying the needed the Senate. Then the got the Senate and they did nothing saying they needed the presidency. To be fair this was true. Any legislation they passed was sure to be vetoed. But then lo and behold they controlled both House of Congress and the White House and then all of a sudden some of those who cried out the loudest about repealing it, like John McCain, voted against repealing it exposing themselves for what they really are. Lying opportunists. I think the same thing would happen with abortion.

[Teallaura]

National Review had a good article today about how most abortion arguments rely upon Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which is why the screeching over Roe is ridiculous. It's worth a read.

I will read it - but as I recall, Casey relies on Roe in some key aspects.