Safe and Legal Abortions

[Cow Poke]

I don't think it's so much "people not knowing anything about it" as it is liberals absolutely refusing to understand that they are destroying human life. They're not ignorant or stupid - they're evil.

I apologize - I shouldn't say 'liberals', but pro-abortion people. I know some liberals who believe abortion is murder. Unfortunately, they're kind of in the "man without a country" realm.

[rogue06]

I apologize - I shouldn't say 'liberals', but pro-abortion people. I know some liberals who believe abortion is murder.

Likewise I know a number of conservatives who are pro-abortion.

[Cow Poke]

Likewise I know a number of conservatives who are pro-abortion.

And Democrats are not necessarily liberals and Republicans are not necessarily conservatives.

[Tassman]

Abortion is never carried out on children. All the fuss over abortion is a result of people not knowing anything about it.

The elephant in the room, something rarely mentioned, is the Evangelical belief that the zygote is a human person with an immortal soul. This is what the fuss is about under the guise that it's a scientific argument. It's not. It's a religious argument.

[Cerebrum123]

The elephant in the room, something rarely mentioned, is the Evangelical belief that the zygote is a human person with an immortal soul. This is what the fuss is about under the guise that it's a scientific argument. It's not. It's a religious argument.

[Cow Poke]

The elephant in the room, something rarely mentioned, is the Evangelical belief that the zygote is a human person with an immortal soul. This is what the fuss is about under the guise that it's a scientific argument. It's not. It's a religious argument.

No, the "fuss" is about the pro-abortion crowd's hypocrisy in pretending to be about defending the weak and the helpless, yet murdering the most helpless.

[JimL]

No, the "fuss" is about the pro-abortion crowd's hypocrisy in pretending to be about defending the weak and the helpless, yet murdering the most helpless.

The fact they we don't accept the notion that the fetus is a baby makes it not hypocrisy on our part, but the fact that you do see both the fetus and the immigrants as human beings makes your defense of the governments treatment of immigrants hypocritical on your part.

[Cow Poke]

The fact they we don't accept the notion that the fetus is a baby makes it not hypocrisy on our part,

OK, in your case, maybe it's ignorance or stupidity.

but the fact that you do see both the fetus and the immigrants as human beings makes your defense of the governments treatment of immigrants hypocritical on your part.

Again, ignorance or stupidity, as I'm not defending the governments [sic] treatment of immigrants.

Feel free to try again.

[Zymologist]

The elephant in the room, something rarely mentioned, is the Evangelical belief that the zygote is a human person with an immortal soul. This is what the fuss is about under the guise that it's a scientific argument. It's not. It's a religious argument.

Could you reference someone stating this belief, please?

[One Bad Pig]

Could you reference someone stating this belief, please?

Well, it IS generally believed that the soul is created at the moment of conception, and therefore killing a fetus is murder. However, killing an adult is wrong for the exact same religious reason. By Tassman's 'reasoning' he should reject laws against murder.

[Zymologist]

Well, it IS generally believed that the soul is created at the moment of conception, and therefore killing a fetus is murder. However, killing an adult is wrong for the exact same religious reason. By Tassman's 'reasoning' he should reject laws against murder.

Yeah, but his constant insistence on this topic that this is THE reason for opposing abortion is more what I was aiming for.

Yay for telling people what they believe!

[Tassman]

Well, it IS generally believed that the soul is created at the moment of conception, and therefore killing a fetus is murder.

No, this is not “generally believed” except among some Christians. There are many differing views. E.g. Jews believe that the soul is bestowed when the first breath of life is taken at birth as per Genesis 2:7 when God breathes “life” into Adam. Many of us don’t believe in the existence of souls at all...how is an immaterial ‘soul’ supposed to interact with the material human body? Where is the nexus?

However, killing an adult is wrong for the exact same religious reason. By Tassman's 'reasoning' he should reject laws against murder.

Murder has been unacceptable throughout human history in all cultures, not necessarily on the basis of the existence of ‘souls’.

[Cow Poke]

Murder has been unacceptable throughout human history in all cultures, not necessarily on the basis of the existence of ‘souls’.

Murder of the unborn has also been unacceptable until recently, when it became the sacred cow of the left.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...nctity-of-life

[One Bad Pig]

No, this is not “generally believed” except among some Christians.

Derp. I was talking about Christians, Tassman.

[Tassman]

Murder of the unborn has also been unacceptable until recently, when it became the sacred cow of the left.

"Murder of the unborn" has only been "unacceptable" to Evangelicals less than 50 years. "In the late 1960s and early 1970s, evangelical Christians widely believed the Bible says life begins at birth and supported looser abortion policies." The same as the Jews traditionally believe.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonat...b_2072716.html

It has only become a "sacred cow", to use your term, in reaction to the emotional hysteria of Evangelicals.

Derp. I was talking about Christians, Tassman.

"SOME Christians", I said.