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Hillary in 2020!!!
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostA quick search reveals that the only times "Hillory" was used is when ox posted it and you responded to it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostIf Hillary runs in 2020 the Democrats honestly deserve to lose. Losing to Donald Trump should have been a chance for them to restructure and revitalise and come back again, but if they're going to serve that stale old piece of meat on the table, one more time, I'll laugh at them as they lose and mock them for it for the next four years.
If she wins the nominations, I agree, the Democrats are headed out to pasture. Nixon's loss to Kennedy had a lot to do with a change in technology (he'd have fared better if they hadn't debated on TV) and some out and out corruption (which should come as no surprise came out of Illinois). Nixon was still a very viable candidate - I really don't see that with Clinton, unless Bill runs again."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostFYI - no one can stop her from running in the primaries as long as she meets eligibility - which she will.
If she wins the nominations, I agree, the Democrats are headed out to pasture. Nixon's loss to Kennedy had a lot to do with a change in technology (he'd have fared better if they hadn't debated on TV) and some out and out corruption (which should come as no surprise came out of Illinois). Nixon was still a very viable candidate - I really don't see that with Clinton, unless Bill runs again.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostIf Hillary runs in 2020 the Democrats honestly deserve to lose. Losing to Donald Trump should have been a chance for them to restructure and revitalise and come back again, but if they're going to serve that stale old piece of meat on the table, one more time, I'll laugh at them as they lose and mock them for it for the next four years.Have You Touched Grass Today? If Not, Please Do.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThanks - I have no hatred or malice toward her - I just don't think she should be in public office, and I praise God she's not.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostObviously the Russians have done their job well.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostObviously the Russians have done their job well.
Both the senate investigation and US Intel have concluded that Russia interfered in the election to help Trump win the election and harm Hillary.
Just imagine how much fun the Russians would have had with her presidency should she have been elected. She's incompetent!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Chaotic Void View PostThis is pretty much my thoughts on the subject as well. If the Dems want any chance of winning, they really need to hunker down and come up with a plan to reform themselves... maybe start by reconnecting with the blue collar, salt-of-the-Earth types they've been vilifying for so long (pandering to Yuppies will only get you so far). Or if they REALLY want to get radical, try reconciling things with the Pro-Life Movement.
The smart move for the Democrats, I think, would be to not try to come up with every single criticism they could make of Trump, no matter how desperate, and instead have largely kept their heads down. Trump isn't that popular and a lot of things the Republicans have done recently haven't been that popular either, just let Trump and the Republicans hang themselves with their own rope and reap the rewards as people leave them as a result.
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Originally posted by Chaotic Void View PostIf the Dems want any chance of winning, they really need to hunker down and come up with a plan to reform themselves...
The problem is that the centrist corporatist establishment part of the Dem party would prefer to lose than to let these sorts of people win or let them take over the party. Incompetent losers like Schumer and Pelosi got where they are today by sucking up to big money donors who are telling them to never have any left-wing policies that the average person would like.
maybe start by reconnecting with the blue collar, salt-of-the-Earth types
they've been vilifying for so long
Or if they REALLY want to get radical, try reconciling things with the Pro-Life Movement."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostHonestly, I think an issue with the Democrats during Trump's administration is their apparent desire to try to make any misstep by Trump, no matter how small (and in some cases, made up), into the biggest criticism of him ever. It might be good at getting the people who would vote Democrat anyway excited, but I've seen so many independents that have gotten turned off by their behavior despite not caring much for Trump and the Republicans (and I mean actual independents, not the people who identify as independent but are extremely reliable voters for a particular party).
The smart move for the Democrats, I think, would be to not try to come up with every single criticism they could make of Trump, no matter how desperate, and instead have largely kept their heads down. Trump isn't that popular and a lot of things the Republicans have done recently haven't been that popular either, just let Trump and the Republicans hang themselves with their own rope and reap the rewards as people leave them as a result.
Originally posted by Starlight View PostIt's not like they need to look very far. The Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are the ones with the energy behind them precisely because they are offering a positive vision to the American people.
The problem is that the centrist corporatist establishment part of the Dem party would prefer to lose than to let these sorts of people win or let them take over the party. Incompetent losers like Schumer and Pelosi got where they are today by sucking up to big money donors who are telling them to never have any left-wing policies that the average person would like.
Right. Reconnecting with the unions that the corporatist centrist leadership has abandoned would be a good start.
Don't agree, at all.
That kind of thing is why I've heard the Electoral College exists... because otherwise, all an aspiring party has to do is pander to the Yuppies in New York and Commiefornia to win an election because that's where the Majority of folks live.
That would just be stupid. About 30% of people in the US want to ban abortion, and those votes go solidly Republican. It's an easy win for the Dems to side with the 70% who prefer abortion being at least somewhat legal. What I would like to see is the dems looking at the polls and siding with the (left-wing of them) majority of the people on more issues.Last edited by Chaotic Void; 07-14-2018, 10:08 AM.Have You Touched Grass Today? If Not, Please Do.
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostHonestly, I think an issue with the Democrats during Trump's administration is their apparent desire to try to make any misstep by Trump, no matter how small (and in some cases, made up), into the biggest criticism of him ever. It might be good at getting the people who would vote Democrat anyway excited, but I've seen so many independents that have gotten turned off by their behavior despite not caring much for Trump and the Republicans (and I mean actual independents, not the people who identify as independent but are extremely reliable voters for a particular party).
The smart move for the Democrats, I think, would be to not try to come up with every single criticism they could make of Trump, no matter how desperate, and instead have largely kept their heads down. Trump isn't that popular and a lot of things the Republicans have done recently haven't been that popular either, just let Trump and the Republicans hang themselves with their own rope and reap the rewards as people leave them as a result.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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