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  • #46
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    A) I don't believe I have ever called Hillary "The Hillory", so that's just unfair
    A quick search reveals that the only times "Hillory" was used is when ox posted it and you responded to it.

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    • #47
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      A quick search reveals that the only times "Hillory" was used is when ox posted it and you responded to it.
      Thanks - I have no hatred or malice toward her - I just don't think she should be in public office, and I praise God she's not.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
        If Hillary runs in 2020 the Democrats honestly deserve to lose. Losing to Donald Trump should have been a chance for them to restructure and revitalise and come back again, but if they're going to serve that stale old piece of meat on the table, one more time, I'll laugh at them as they lose and mock them for it for the next four years.
        FYI - no one can stop her from running in the primaries as long as she meets eligibility - which she will.

        If she wins the nominations, I agree, the Democrats are headed out to pasture. Nixon's loss to Kennedy had a lot to do with a change in technology (he'd have fared better if they hadn't debated on TV) and some out and out corruption (which should come as no surprise came out of Illinois). Nixon was still a very viable candidate - I really don't see that with Clinton, unless Bill runs again.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
          FYI - no one can stop her from running in the primaries as long as she meets eligibility - which she will.

          If she wins the nominations, I agree, the Democrats are headed out to pasture. Nixon's loss to Kennedy had a lot to do with a change in technology (he'd have fared better if they hadn't debated on TV) and some out and out corruption (which should come as no surprise came out of Illinois). Nixon was still a very viable candidate - I really don't see that with Clinton, unless Bill runs again.
          In the #MeToo era Bill may even be more toxic than Hillary, especially given some of his remarks during the book selling tour.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #50

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
              If Hillary runs in 2020 the Democrats honestly deserve to lose. Losing to Donald Trump should have been a chance for them to restructure and revitalise and come back again, but if they're going to serve that stale old piece of meat on the table, one more time, I'll laugh at them as they lose and mock them for it for the next four years.
              This is pretty much my thoughts on the subject as well. If the Dems want any chance of winning, they really need to hunker down and come up with a plan to reform themselves... maybe start by reconnecting with the blue collar, salt-of-the-Earth types they've been vilifying for so long (pandering to Yuppies will only get you so far). Or if they REALLY want to get radical, try reconciling things with the Pro-Life Movement.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                Thanks - I have no hatred or malice toward her - I just don't think she should be in public office, and I praise God she's not.
                Obviously the Russians have done their job well. Both the senate investigation and US Intel have concluded that Russia interfered in the election to help Trump win the election and harm Hillary.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                  Obviously the Russians have done their job well.
                  I agree. They've managed to convince you that any disagreement with Hillary is due to Russian interference.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                    Obviously the Russians have done their job well.
                    What an absolutely dumb conclusion. My satisfaction in Hillary not being POTUS has NOTHING to do with the Russians, and it's pure idiocy to claim it does.

                    Both the senate investigation and US Intel have concluded that Russia interfered in the election to help Trump win the election and harm Hillary.
                    Maybe if she hadn't been so arrogant and/or or sloppy in having such an insecure server and infrastructure, it would have been more of a challenge to the Russians. She was a HORRIBLE candidate, and ran a stinking campaign.

                    Just imagine how much fun the Russians would have had with her presidency should she have been elected. She's incompetent!
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Chaotic Void View Post
                      This is pretty much my thoughts on the subject as well. If the Dems want any chance of winning, they really need to hunker down and come up with a plan to reform themselves... maybe start by reconnecting with the blue collar, salt-of-the-Earth types they've been vilifying for so long (pandering to Yuppies will only get you so far). Or if they REALLY want to get radical, try reconciling things with the Pro-Life Movement.
                      Honestly, I think an issue with the Democrats during Trump's administration is their apparent desire to try to make any misstep by Trump, no matter how small (and in some cases, made up), into the biggest criticism of him ever. It might be good at getting the people who would vote Democrat anyway excited, but I've seen so many independents that have gotten turned off by their behavior despite not caring much for Trump and the Republicans (and I mean actual independents, not the people who identify as independent but are extremely reliable voters for a particular party).

                      The smart move for the Democrats, I think, would be to not try to come up with every single criticism they could make of Trump, no matter how desperate, and instead have largely kept their heads down. Trump isn't that popular and a lot of things the Republicans have done recently haven't been that popular either, just let Trump and the Republicans hang themselves with their own rope and reap the rewards as people leave them as a result.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                        I agree. They've managed to convince you that any disagreement with Hillary is due to Russian interference.
                        More to the point the evidence convinced US Intel and the Senate Committee that that Moscow meddled to hurt Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump and that these accusations were “well supported.”
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Chaotic Void View Post
                          If the Dems want any chance of winning, they really need to hunker down and come up with a plan to reform themselves...
                          It's not like they need to look very far. The Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are the ones with the energy behind them precisely because they are offering a positive vision to the American people.

                          The problem is that the centrist corporatist establishment part of the Dem party would prefer to lose than to let these sorts of people win or let them take over the party. Incompetent losers like Schumer and Pelosi got where they are today by sucking up to big money donors who are telling them to never have any left-wing policies that the average person would like.

                          maybe start by reconnecting with the blue collar, salt-of-the-Earth types
                          Right. Reconnecting with the unions that the corporatist centrist leadership has abandoned would be a good start.

                          they've been vilifying for so long
                          Don't agree, at all.

                          Or if they REALLY want to get radical, try reconciling things with the Pro-Life Movement.
                          That would just be stupid. About 30% of people in the US want to ban abortion, and those votes go solidly Republican. It's an easy win for the Dems to side with the 70% who prefer abortion being at least somewhat legal. What I would like to see is the dems looking at the polls and siding with the (left-wing of them) majority of the people on more issues.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                            Honestly, I think an issue with the Democrats during Trump's administration is their apparent desire to try to make any misstep by Trump, no matter how small (and in some cases, made up), into the biggest criticism of him ever. It might be good at getting the people who would vote Democrat anyway excited, but I've seen so many independents that have gotten turned off by their behavior despite not caring much for Trump and the Republicans (and I mean actual independents, not the people who identify as independent but are extremely reliable voters for a particular party).

                            The smart move for the Democrats, I think, would be to not try to come up with every single criticism they could make of Trump, no matter how desperate, and instead have largely kept their heads down. Trump isn't that popular and a lot of things the Republicans have done recently haven't been that popular either, just let Trump and the Republicans hang themselves with their own rope and reap the rewards as people leave them as a result.
                            Exactly. Anything they try to pin on him has so far turned out to be a dud (which just makes them look like idiots, and gives the Cheeto-in-Chief and his followers a better look by comparison). At this point, they're starting to be the Left's Equivalent of the, 'Birther Conspiracy,' with all the shrieking about Russian Collusion.

                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            It's not like they need to look very far. The Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are the ones with the energy behind them precisely because they are offering a positive vision to the American people.

                            The problem is that the centrist corporatist establishment part of the Dem party would prefer to lose than to let these sorts of people win or let them take over the party. Incompetent losers like Schumer and Pelosi got where they are today by sucking up to big money donors who are telling them to never have any left-wing policies that the average person would like.
                            Those Champagne Socialists? Not really. How about an actual Socialist who voluntarily gives up his surplus income to the government so they can, () 'Use it Benevolently for the Common Good'. I'm sorry, I couldn't say that with a straight face.

                            Right. Reconnecting with the unions that the corporatist centrist leadership has abandoned would be a good start.
                            ... Except a lot of unions are no better than the corporatist dirtbags you think has hijacked the party. Even my left-leaning American friends think that Unions are way too corrupt and greedy at the moment to do any good. Giving them more political power is probably a bad idea, unless you want to have small mom-n-pop shops or aspiring entrepreneurs regulated into the ground so that their competition is nipped in the bud.

                            Don't agree, at all.
                            As long as I can remember, the salt-of-the-Earth middle-roader types have always been written off as backwards inbreds by the Liberal Yuppie types just for having even a sliver of 'Radical' Right-Wing views like- oh, I dunno- not being turned into collateral damage in the Left's Taxation Crusade against the Evil 1%. Or how about the people who think you shouldn't call basic human decency, "White Privilege?" They've been written off in the same way, some dumb hillbillies.

                            That kind of thing is why I've heard the Electoral College exists... because otherwise, all an aspiring party has to do is pander to the Yuppies in New York and Commiefornia to win an election because that's where the Majority of folks live.

                            That would just be stupid. About 30% of people in the US want to ban abortion, and those votes go solidly Republican. It's an easy win for the Dems to side with the 70% who prefer abortion being at least somewhat legal. What I would like to see is the dems looking at the polls and siding with the (left-wing of them) majority of the people on more issues.
                            Here's the thing, though: the Pro-Life movement and it's approaches are a little broader than simply, "Ban Abortion." There's a lot of left-leaning types who, instead of making abortion outright illegal, would rather see it be rendered socially unthinkable; not seen as a viable option unless it comes saving the life of the mother. And surprisingly, there's a lot of Pro-Life Millennials out there... at least in a far bigger ratio than previous generations. If the Dems are serious about winning an election, they'll tap into that demographic, especially since many of them are Anti-War as well... something that the Left should probably re-embrace after the Obama Administration.
                            Last edited by Chaotic Void; 07-14-2018, 10:08 AM.
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                            • #59
                              "Cheeto-in-Chief"

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                                Honestly, I think an issue with the Democrats during Trump's administration is their apparent desire to try to make any misstep by Trump, no matter how small (and in some cases, made up), into the biggest criticism of him ever. It might be good at getting the people who would vote Democrat anyway excited, but I've seen so many independents that have gotten turned off by their behavior despite not caring much for Trump and the Republicans (and I mean actual independents, not the people who identify as independent but are extremely reliable voters for a particular party).

                                The smart move for the Democrats, I think, would be to not try to come up with every single criticism they could make of Trump, no matter how desperate, and instead have largely kept their heads down. Trump isn't that popular and a lot of things the Republicans have done recently haven't been that popular either, just let Trump and the Republicans hang themselves with their own rope and reap the rewards as people leave them as a result.
                                As I've said before the left has become the Boy Who Cried Wolf wrt Trump to the point that if something really big ever did surface many people will simply ignore it because of all the histrionics in the past.

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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