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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    That is standard here in New Zealand for all elections. Any non-citizen, who isn't here just temporarily, can vote.
    Foreigners vote, allow friends also families to come in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    If you remove the age requirement like you want that means that even infants have the right to vote. The same group you don't even think have a right to live, what with your supporting the "right" of parents to kill children who are a couple months old.
    Let demi guess, starlight thinks children can consent too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    So, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but NZ was colonized much later than the US.
    12000 years later, IIRC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    12000 years later, IIRC.
    Well I wasn't there at the time. Estimates seem to vary a bit, but around 1300 AD for the first humans (polynesian settlers, now called Maori) here in NZ. It doesn't stop their descendants from claiming to be "natives", of course, if it suits their political purposes, and I am totally not cynical about it all...

    However with regard to people being in the US 12000 years earlier, I am sure MM is happy to lecture you on the Truth of the 6000 year old earth.

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    No taxation without representation. Meaning if you pay tax, you should have a vote. Citizenship may bring additional entitlements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    No taxation without representation. Meaning if you pay tax, you should have a vote. Citizenship may bring additional entitlements.
    No, it doesn't state or imply that you can't vote if you don't pay taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    So am I, but this is Roy and I daresay he would not have missed the opportunity to have done exactly the same thing if the shoe were on the other foot.
    Quite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    Yes, actually, particularly with regard to how the US right-wing doesn't seem to see democracy as a fundamental good and cornerstone of Western civilization.
    OK, this is nutty.

    I was thinking today how to get this across to you, and maybe I could convey it by considering the Freedom of Speech right. My own personal view is that freedom of speech is a secondary good because it contributes toward the two primary goods of 'Personal Freedom' and 'Democracy'. But I don't particularly regard freedom of speech as a be-all and end-all good in and of itself, only as a means to those ends. So, if there comes along a good reason to curtail it a tiny bit, I don't particularly have a problem with that. So if it turns out that it's better than we ban drawings of Muhammad or going out of our way to insult black or gay people on race or sexual grounds, then so be it.

    Whereas, from a lot of Americans, and particularly right-wing Americans, I get the impression you view Freedom of Speech as an absolutely fundamental good in and of itself. You view it as not merely present in your constitution to ensure freedom of political opinions and thus allow for a properly functioning democracy (i.e. as a means to achieving the goal of Democracy), but rather you view it as an absolute and sanctified right in an of itself. And woe betide anyone who dares violate the sacred right of freedom of speech. If anyone does, cue people screaming "You're violating my FREEDOM OF SPEECH!" and almost general emergency sirens and panic buttons being hit. Anyone could be forgiven for thinking you guys think the entirety of Western civilization is coming to an end the moment freedom of speech is breached in any minor particular.
    You can't seem to help yourself from actual conversation to dramaqueen nuttery. I don't think you'll find any conservatives who think it should be allowed, for example, to yell "fire" in a crowded theater, or to incite a riot.....

    Where to you get these nutty ideas?

    The rest of your screed is just as nutty, so I'll leave it at that.

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    Automatic voter registration seems like a fine idea to me. Its what we have in our country. We all get sent a voting slip by mail, we're free to use it or not, it acts as our "Voter ID" as well (you only need your real ID in case you've lost your voter slip).

    But letting everyone vote just seems... weird. I'd think that you'd need to at the very minimum have a residence in the country and be of legal age.

  12. Amen RumTumTugger, Cerebrum123 amen'd this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    Automatic voter registration seems like a fine idea to me. Its what we have in our country. We all get sent a voting slip by mail, we're free to use it or not, it acts as our "Voter ID" as well (you only need your real ID in case you've lost your voter slip).

    But letting everyone vote just seems... weird. I'd think that you'd need to at the very minimum have a residence in the country and be of legal age.
    I don't know where you've been or what you've been doing, but you're making WAY too much sense to be posting on Tweb.

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