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  • #31
    Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
    Where'd the steel come from?
    It's a big Lego ship!
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    • #32
      Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      Chernobyl was a terrible design; it was a disaster waiting to happen. US-designed reactors are much safer (on the other hand, the US is about the only country using nuclear power that doesn't reprocess its spent fuel, but merely lets it pile up).
      Granted - but Three Mile Island was a better design and it almost melted down. The point (semi-humorous) being that Denmark doesn't have the land mass to be able to absorb such a massive 'superfund' type site.

      Yeah, I have often wondered about that. If it's still radioactive, there have got to be applications other than shove it in a salt mine and hope for the best.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
        Um, you realize one Chernobyl type disaster and you also wouldn't have a country.... Just saying...
        Yeah because we'll build nuclear reactors the way they did it sixty years ago when they developing prototypes using slide rules and without any industrial experience.

        I personally think storing the nuclear waste on the surface in huge concrete drums like they do in Bulgaria is the best option. The drums are far too large to steal, or to drill into without any noticing, and still big enough that a pregnant woman can walk around them without any big risk due to radiation.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          It's a big Lego ship!
          The cargo is, anyway.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
            Where'd the steel come from?
            Hmmm... good question actually. Likely Germany I imagine.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
              Hmmm... good question actually. Likely Germany I imagine.
              The problem with 'globalization' or at least global trade is that it complicates measurements of all kinds, most especially secondary and tertiary usages.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                Yeah because we'll build nuclear reactors the way they did it sixty years ago when they developing prototypes using slide rules and without any industrial experience.

                I personally think storing the nuclear waste on the surface in huge concrete drums like they do in Bulgaria is the best option. The drums are far too large to steal, or to drill into without any noticing, and still big enough that a pregnant woman can walk around them without any big risk due to radiation.
                Yeah, I'm not seeing that one outside Third World and the former Soviet bloc (at least for now). It's hard to open a landfill here - how the heck would you convince people to let you store radioactive waste in their back yards? The mob would form faster than you can yelp 'NIMBY'!
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                  Yeah, I'm not seeing that one outside Third World and the former Soviet bloc (at least for now). It's hard to open a landfill here - how the heck would you convince people to let you store radioactive waste in their back yards? The mob would form faster than you can yelp 'NIMBY'!
                  Doesn't the US have enormous areas of basically nothing? You're pretty sparsely populated in that country. There's gotta be a better plan than hollowing out a mountain. Building a warehouse, next to a military base (if that makes people feel more safe), and stuffing it full of heavy cylinders of glass/concrete seems about the best thing to do with the waste. It wouldn't even take up that much space, certainly much less than the ash dumps from coal power plants (which people conveniently forget) and would be a heck of a lot cheaper.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    Chernobyl was a terrible design; it was a disaster waiting to happen.
                    And not to mention, it wasn't operating normally as a power-plant at the time of the issues. They were running a scientific experiment and they'd deliberately gone to some lengths to turn off all the safeties for the duration of the experiment to make sure they didn't interfere with it. Unfortunately they didn't tell the night-shift workers this and when some things started to go wrong, the night-shift workers wrongly assumed they didn't need to respond because the safeties would kick in.

                    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                    I personally think storing the nuclear waste on the surface in huge concrete drums like they do in Bulgaria is the best option. The drums are far too large to steal, or to drill into without any noticing, and still big enough that a pregnant woman can walk around them without any big risk due to radiation.
                    Yep, on-site storage in large concrete drums seems the way to go.

                    A lot of the next-generation fission reactors being discussed and on drawing-boards currently will be able to use nuclear fuel much more efficiently so they'll be able to use current nuclear waste as input fuel, and also generate very very little waste themselves and it will be relatively short-lived waste.

                    I think the world has got a bit distracted by the advances in solar and wind that people don't realize that nuclear is a really good option and that the power grids of the future will probably be a combination of nuclear fission, solar, and wind.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                      Doesn't the US have enormous areas of basically nothing? You're pretty sparsely populated in that country. There's gotta be a better plan than hollowing out a mountain. Building a warehouse, next to a military base (if that makes people feel more safe), and stuffing it full of heavy cylinders of glass/concrete seems about the best thing to do with the waste. It wouldn't even take up that much space, certainly much less than the ash dumps from coal power plants (which people conveniently forget) and would be a heck of a lot cheaper.
                      Those enormous areas are usually public land - either in use as cattle grazing or set aside as national parks and refuges. Nuclear waste isn't likely to go over well in either 'where your dinner eats its dinner' or 'treasured wilderness, parks, et al'.

                      Those of us old enough to remember Gomer Pyle aren't gonna be too keen on the military base idea, either...

                      Coal ash/soot actually has an historic use as fertilizer - I'd assumed that it was used for that. With the new emphasis on organics, that may change.

                      Seriously, yeah, it probably could be done - but old salt mines are underground where no one has to see the stuff - and can be more readily secured (so it's argued). Nuclear waste is one of the few that simply can't be recycled in a reasonable time frame (sure it becomes lead eventually...) not due to economic constraints but due to its own composition. That is what soured me on nuclear power years ago.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                        It's easy to do that in a tiny, flat country. They probably wonder what first gear is good for....
                        I saw a map that superimposed Denmark over Central Alabama - if it weren't for the islands, it would have fit in only half the state. South Carolina is bigger!

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                          Those enormous areas are usually public land - either in use as cattle grazing or set aside as national parks and refuges. Nuclear waste isn't likely to go over well in either 'where your dinner eats its dinner' or 'treasured wilderness, parks, et al'.

                          Those of us old enough to remember Gomer Pyle aren't gonna be too keen on the military base idea, either...

                          Coal ash/soot actually has an historic use as fertilizer - I'd assumed that it was used for that. With the new emphasis on organics, that may change.

                          Seriously, yeah, it probably could be done - but old salt mines are underground where no one has to see the stuff - and can be more readily secured (so it's argued). Nuclear waste is one of the few that simply can't be recycled in a reasonable time frame (sure it becomes lead eventually...) not due to economic constraints but due to its own composition. That is what soured me on nuclear power years ago.
                          Nuclear waste CAN be recycled; the US is unusual in not bothering. One must be careful in designing and operating such a plant - there have been times when a critical mass/geometry of uranium inadvertantly occurs, but that's thankfully rare.
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                          • #43
                            Is there any possibility that technology will evolve to the point where nuclear waste can be disposed of in space in a cost effective manner?
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                              Is there any possibility that technology will evolve to the point where nuclear waste can be disposed of in space in a cost effective manner?
                              Well, not in the near future. It's really expensive to put stuff in orbit, let alone out of Earth's orbit (and presumably into the sun, so no one can run into it), and nuclear waste is pretty much all heavy elements. People are also very leery of launching radioactive material, because there's the danger of a rocket malfunction (which invariably leads to an explosion, and now you're spreading radioactive material where you don't want it).
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                                because there's the danger of a rocket malfunction (which invariably leads to an explosion, and now you're spreading radioactive material where you don't want it).
                                This would certainly be catastrophic, yes.
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