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  • #61
    Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    You're going this bonkers over a joke? I used to take you more seriously, but this is just .
    It's improper for a presidential candidate to "joke" about committing treasonous acts especially in a high context scenario (i.e. where said actions are being alleged to occur and actively being investigated. It's surprising that you would lose respect for a poster over being concerned about this, even if you're personally willing to look the other way.



    Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

    Actually the only reason I voted for Trump was to keep out someone who is clearly evil. Every time I looked up a charge against Trump they were lies. I don't like Trump, but better than Hillary by far.
    Every single one? Even the "locker room talk" that he personally admitted doing? I'm hoping that you're exaggerating here.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    • #62
      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
      It's improper for a presidential candidate to "joke" about committing treasonous acts especially in a high context scenario (i.e. where said actions are being alleged to occur and actively being investigated. It's surprising that you would lose respect for a poster over being concerned about this, even if you're personally willing to look the other way.
      It's not the fact he's "concerned" about it, it's the excessive nature of his "concern". If he had just said something along the lines of "I don't think he should have been joking about that." that's one thing. Saying Trump had committed treason is another.

      Every single one? Even the "locker room talk" that he personally admitted doing? I'm hoping that you're exaggerating here.
      I said all of the stuff I looked into. I didn't look into every allegation made against him.

      Wasn't the "locker room talk" also from way before he was even a candidate? It's distasteful sure, but still nothing compared to Hillary. Look, I don't like Trump. He's rather arrogant, and seems to be a jerk too. However, Hillary was the far worse option.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        Jim, when the Christian haters start patting you on the back, it's time to look at what you're actually saying. I, for one, take exception to this emotional outburst. I don't hate Hillary, but I believe she would have been a disaster to SCOTUS. And the only "democratic policy" I actually hate is the advocacy of the murder of the unborn. Further, when I 'voted for' Trump, I truly did not believe he had a snowball's chance in the hot place.

        BUT, your post did get a nice round of amens from the Christian haters, so there's that.
        Cp, people amen things they agree with. I don't have an ideological criteria for who I amen, and I don't seek amen's directly. Sometimes if I've been raked over the coals for some idea it is nice to discover there are others that find what I've said worthy of an amen.

        When I post I am interested in what is right. I always want to know what logical flaws exist, so people taking me to task is often of greater profit to me than an amen. But other times, especially when it starts to get personal, amen's provide encouragement.

        The issue here is that to support trump in his gross immorality is an obvious hypocricy. So if we claim say to love the poor and then support political policies that oppress the poor then we bring shame to the Gospel. It does not matter what the political party is.

        Jim
        Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-14-2018, 07:43 PM.
        My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

        If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

        This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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        • #64
          Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
          You guys are blind. The man asked the single most significant enemy of the United states to help find dirt on an opponent in a presidential election! That is treason!
          Um... no it isn't.

          First, let's look at what treason is actually legally defined as:
          "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason".

          Here's the thing: Russia is not, legally speaking, an enemy. To be an enemy, you have to actually be at war with a state, and the United States is in no war against Russia. In fact, even during the Cold War, Russia did not count as an enemy in the legal sense. That is why the Rosenbergs were convicted of espionage, not treason.

          Even if Russia were in fact an enemy in the legal sense, Trump was, at worst, only issuing a request, which is hardly giving Russia "aid and comfort." So there is no way that Trump is guilty of treason. He might be guilty of other things, but not treason.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

            Wasn't the "locker room talk" also from way before he was even a candidate? It's distasteful sure, but still nothing compared to Hillary. Look, I don't like Trump. He's rather arrogant, and seems to be a jerk too. However, Hillary was the far worse option.
            I guess I honestly don't understand the visceral reaction to Hillary any more than any generic Democratic candidate, especially given that I've seen that some here would have preferred a Bernie Sanders (whose pie in the sky style socialism flies completely in the face of any economic sense, certainly compared to the comparatively moderate policies of Hillary).
            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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            • #66
              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
              I guess I honestly don't understand the visceral reaction to Hillary any more than any generic Democratic candidate, especially given that I've seen that some here would have preferred a Bernie Sanders (whose pie in the sky style socialism flies completely in the face of any economic sense, certainly compared to the comparatively moderate policies of Hillary).
              she is for abortion on demand KG and promised to put pro abortion justices who would rule that way that would up hold that is enough reason to vote someone else but the icing on the cake was hte list of Justices Trump put out during his campaign he would choose from to make his appointments all who would rule on what the law says and on the Constitutionality of said law. not legislate from the bench which is the type of justice Hillary would have apppointed.

              I have been pleasanly surprised that Trump is keeping his promise on he used the justices on that list.
              Last edited by RumTumTugger; 07-14-2018, 07:38 PM.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post
                she is for abortion on demand KG and promised to put pro abortion justices who would rule that way that would up hold that is enough reason to vote someone else but the icing on the cake was hte list of Justices Trump put out during his campaign he would choose from to make his appointments all who would rule on what the law says and on the Constitutionality of said law. not legislate from the bench which is the type of justice Hillary would have apppointed.

                I have been pleasanly surprised that Trump is keeping his promise on he used the justices on that list.
                I said "any more than any generic Democratic candidate". What you mentioned doesn't differentiate her from other Democrats, but others have said that she was worse than any other Democratic candidate.
                "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                  I said "any more than any generic Democratic candidate". What you mentioned doesn't differentiate her from other Democrats, but others have said that she was worse than any other Democratic candidate.
                  Lets see she put our country in danger by using an unprotected private server for government work and lied about it. oh and the utter contempt she showed during and after the election for most Americans. sorry RG she out and out said any woman who did not vote for her only did because we were being controlled by our husbands showing contempt for thinking Conservative women like me. that shows how much contempt she has even for her fellow women. She shows every time she gets up and makes excuses for the loss she was responsible for that I was right to vote against her.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                    You guys are blind. The man asked the single most significant enemy of the United states to help find dirt on an opponent in a presidential election! That is treason!

                    Is there no limit to the depths of depravity you will tolerate to nurse your hatred of Hillary or democratic policies? I sometimes think you would elect Satan himself just to be sure a democrat didn't win.

                    Jim
                    I'm not convinced of the whole "Russian collusion" thing; I don't "hate" Hillary (although I dislike her for every obvious reason) and I didn't even vote for Trump.

                    So your broad-brushing seems a little unfair.
                    I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                      It's improper for a presidential candidate to "joke" about committing treasonous acts especially in a high context scenario (i.e. where said actions are being alleged to occur and actively being investigated. It's surprising that you would lose respect for a poster over being concerned about this, even if you're personally willing to look the other way.
                      facepalm3.gif

                      He wasn't joking about committing a treasonous act but rather saying that since the Russians, having hacked her server, probably have copies of her "lost" emails with the joke being asking them to release them. It was entirely a dig about Hillary's handling of the emails.

                      It is really mind blowing how anyone can twist it otherwise.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
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                        He wasn't joking about committing a treasonous act but rather saying that since the Russians, having hacked her server, probably have copies of her "lost" emails with the joke being asking them to release them. It was entirely a dig about Hillary's handling of the emails.

                        It is really mind blowing how anyone can twist it otherwise.
                        It's obvious that's the context but that hardly exonerates him. If the emails are classified such that their improper storage are grounds for imprisoning her, as Trump suggested, then calling for their open release would be just as detrimental to national security, no?
                        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                          It's improper for a presidential candidate to "joke" about committing treasonous acts especially in a high context scenario (i.e. where said actions are being alleged to occur and actively being investigated. It's surprising that you would lose respect for a poster over being concerned about this, even if you're personally willing to look the other way.
                          It’s no different than Ted Kennedy asking the Russians to interfere in the 1984 elections to prevent Regan from being elected.

                          Every single one? Even the "locker room talk" that he personally admitted doing? I'm hoping that you're exaggerating here.
                          Trump is a pig, no doubt about it. It isn’t as though he’s the first to be elected though. I’ve heard many men say worse, most just don’t have camera’s around them to catch them.
                          "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                          GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                            It’s no different than Ted Kennedy asking the Russians to interfere in the 1984 elections to prevent Regan from being elected.

                            Do you have anything better than a tu quoque from 34 years ago?
                            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                              Um... no it isn't.

                              First, let's look at what treason is actually legally defined as:
                              "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason".

                              Here's the thing: Russia is not, legally speaking, an enemy. To be an enemy, you have to actually be at war with a state, and the United States is in no war against Russia. In fact, even during the Cold War, Russia did not count as an enemy in the legal sense. That is why the Rosenbergs were convicted of espionage, not treason.

                              Even if Russia were in fact an enemy in the legal sense, Trump was, at worst, only issuing a request, which is hardly giving Russia "aid and comfort." So there is no way that Trump is guilty of treason. He might be guilty of other things, but not treason.
                              Maybe your right. I'm not a legal scholar. Nevertheless, what he did was treason as far as I'm concerned. And Richard Painter, Bush's former ethics chief called it 'close to treason'. And given the state of cyber warfare that exists between Russian and the US today, there may well be more to it than your attempt to dismiss the accusation.

                              And make no mistake - the cyber war is real. It was recently announced Russian hackers have infiltrated our power grid and can take it down at any time. Do you have any clue what taking down the power grid would mean to us? Setting things up to do that if not an act of war is certainly very close to it.

                              And Donald Trump INVITED Russia to further hack our systems to help him.

                              Maybe that isn't treason to you. But it is to me.


                              Jim
                              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                                Do you have anything better than a tu quoque from 34 years ago?
                                How long did he serve in the senate afterwards? Was he ever charged for it? If Ted Kennedy can get away with asking an enemy we were engaged in a Cold War with to interfere with an election, why is it suddenly an issue now?
                                "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                                GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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