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  • #16
    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    A few comments on who Dave Rubin is...

    He used to a "progressive" and be on TYT which I watched, and continue to watch regularly. He would often be one panelist among 4 and I would often roll my eyes at him being on there because nothing he said was ever intelligent and wondered what value the others saw in having him on. Apparently behind the scenes he would ask others there what their 'career path' to getting rich was. He then left TYT in his effort to get rich, found that by re-branding as a "libertarian" he was able to get a lot of funding from billionaire-funded right-wing organisations, and so he now spends his time pretending the free-speech of the right is being oppressed ( ). Unfortunately he doesn't even seem to have the intellectual capacity to have gone out and learned the basic arguments for libertarianism, and when challenged to make an argument, he goes with things like "er, well, I've heard that some might argue... [misunderstood repetition of their arguments]". A few of the progressive news outlets I watch online now like to show occasional video clips of Rubin for comedy value, as he fails so hard when he tries to make basic arguments.

    So now he enjoys telling the gullible right that in a country full of people without healthcare, homeless people, people in jail, lead in the water, ridiculous military overspending, record breaking wealth and income inequality, cops shooting innocents, ICE kidnapping children, etc the Biggest Problem is half a dozen guys not being able to give a talk at a university when anyone who wanted to could view their talks online anyway. The US right is so gullible it deserves Dave Rubin.
    Thank you, so much, Star, for that thoughtful, totally unbiased critique.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      Thank you, so much, Star, for that thoughtful, totally unbiased critique.
      You're welcome.

      BTW, do you seriously think that if you recruited an unbiased group of experts to formulate a list of "the 100 biggest problems in the US today" that a handful of right-wing extremists not being able to speak on campuses would actually make that list? I don't. I see it as being around problem #10,000, if indeed it is a problem at all.
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        You're welcome.

        BTW, do you seriously think that if you recruited an unbiased group of experts...
        That's like looking for unicorns.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          A few comments on who Dave Rubin is...

          He used to a "progressive" and be on TYT which I watched, and continue to watch regularly...
          Ah, so he was a liberal who wised up!

          Dave Rubin, lapsed progressive, explains why he left the left: Video

          Internet talk show host Dave Rubin says he no longer identifies as a progressive after becoming disillusioned with the left’s increasing disregard for concepts such as freedom of speech, religious liberty and judging people on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.

          In an episode of Prager University released on Monday, Mr. Rubin says so-called progressives are actually rather regressive.

          “Banning speakers whose opinions you don’t agree with from college campuses — that’s not progressive,” Mr. Rubin says in the four-minute video. “Prohibiting any words not approved of as ‘politically correct’ — that’s not progressive. Putting ‘trigger warnings’ on books, movies, music, anything that might offend people — that’s not progressive, either.”

          “All of this has led me to believe that much of the left is no longer progressive, but regressive,” he continues.

          The host of the eponymous “Rubin Report,” a popular talk show on YouTube, Mr. Rubin says progressives have become obsessed with identity politics and measuring which group has been most victimized by straight, white males.

          “If you’re black, or female, or Muslim, or Hispanic or a member of any other minority group, you’re judged differently than the most evil of all things: a white, Christian male,” he says. “The regressive left ranks minority groups in a pecking order to compete in a kind of ‘Oppression Olympics.’ Gold medal goes to the most offended.”

          But none of these things leads to a flourishing and free society, Mr. Rubin says. In fact, they’re the perfect “recipe for authoritarianism.”

          “I’m a married gay man, so you might think that I appreciate the government forcing a Christian baker or photographer or florist to act against their religion in order to cater, photograph or decorate my wedding. But you’d be wrong,” he says. “A government that can force Christians to violate their conscience can force me to violate mine. If a baker won’t bake you a cake, find another baker; don’t demand that the state tell him what to do with his private business.”

          Mr. Rubin says he now describes his political views as “classically liberal.”

          “For these reasons, I can no longer call myself a progressive,” he says. “I don’t really call myself a Democrat, either. I’m a classical liberal. A free thinker. And, as much as I don’t like to admit it, defending my liberal values has suddenly become a conservative position.”


          So he's a gay married man who mocked the Chick-fil-a boycot....

          Have you become homophobic, Star?
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Ah, so he was a liberal who wised up!
            No, he was a moron then who didn't understand anything, and remains a moron now who doesn't understand anything. But he's found it a lucrative scam to tell right-wingers what they want to hear.
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              No, he was a moron then who didn't understand anything, and remains a moron now who doesn't understand anything. But he's found it a lucrative scam to tell right-wingers what they want to hear.
              It’s always amusing when Starlight proves how intolerant he truly is.
              "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
              GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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              • #22
                Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                It’s always amusing when Starlight proves how intolerant he truly is.
                You mean, like this?

                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                I see this as part of the US right's war on fact, expertise, and intelligence - demean and belittle any possible objective source of information, and then your crazy ideas can't possibly be proven wrong because no impartial authorities are left to judge them.
                He's pretty much doing that to Rubin.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  A few comments on who Dave Rubin is...

                  He used to a "progressive" and be on TYT which I watched, and continue to watch regularly. He would often be one panelist among 4 and I would often roll my eyes at him being on there because nothing he said was ever intelligent and wondered what value the others saw in having him on. Apparently behind the scenes he would ask others there what their 'career path' to getting rich was. He then left TYT in his effort to get rich, found that by re-branding as a "libertarian" he was able to get a lot of funding from billionaire-funded right-wing organisations, and so he now spends his time pretending the free-speech of the right is being oppressed ( ). Unfortunately he doesn't even seem to have the intellectual capacity to have gone out and learned the basic arguments for libertarianism, and when challenged to make an argument, he goes with things like "er, well, I've heard that some might argue... [misunderstood repetition of their arguments]". A few of the progressive news outlets I watch online now like to show occasional video clips of Rubin for comedy value, as he fails so hard when he tries to make basic arguments.

                  So now he enjoys telling the gullible right that in a country full of people without healthcare, homeless people, people in jail, lead in the water, ridiculous military overspending, record breaking wealth and income inequality, cops shooting innocents, ICE kidnapping children, etc the Biggest Problem is half a dozen guys not being able to give a talk at a university when anyone who wanted to could view their talks online anyway. The US right is so gullible it deserves Dave Rubin.
                  Ah yes The Young Turks Ohf course. They like there Reahsonable Discuhshion. Honestly i have my problems with a lot of media be it arrogance misinformation or deceit. Cenk Uygur has been checked by both the left and right and has been shown to be lacking. Look at the politico debate he had with Ben Shapiro for instance. Now honestly I wish the news and commentary were seperate subjects.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by TheWall View Post
                    Cenk Uygur has been checked by both the left and right
                    I would say Cenk gets it right about 90% of the time, and is generally a good source of information and views. He occasionally messes up, but he gets it right far more often than he gets it wrong.

                    Look at the politico debate he had with Ben Shapiro for instance.
                    I'm not familiar with it, but I would advise running for the hills rather than taking Ben Shapiro seriously. I would say Shapiro gets it wrong about 90% of the time.


                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    Mr. Rubin says progressives have become obsessed with identity politics
                    That's an amusing complaint given I've never heard a person do identity politics more than Rubin himself does. For him, everything seems to come back to the fact that he's a gay married man. It's pretty amusing.

                    So he's a gay married man

                    Really, I never would have known... oh, wait, he tells us this approximately every ten minutes. In between telling us identity politics is The Worst.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                      It’s always amusing when Starlight proves how intolerant he truly is.
                      Ridiculous. It's not like he supports physical violence against those he disagrees with... Um. Never mind.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        Ridiculous. It's not like he supports physical violence against those he disagrees with... Um. Never mind.
                        He just wants to be able to punch Nazi’s* in the face, with impunity.

                        *what he doesn’t tell you is his definition of Nazi is anyone to the right of him.
                        Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 07-16-2018, 11:56 PM.
                        "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                        GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by seer View Post
                          He is perfectly right Leonhard. Who has instituted speech codes on College Campuses?
                          I don't mind speech codes in private institutions. Remember that TheologyWeb has a set of speech codes for what can't be talked about, and words that can't be said. Conservatives have instituted speech codes as well. McCarthy anyone? And I know individual right-wing private universities such as Biola that have very strict limits on what people can or can't say as teachers.

                          But if you ask me yes, Teachers shouldn't be punished for their views, and some leftist activists are shooting themselves in the foot with this.

                          It would still be the truth that the majority of the leftists support free speech. Even on campusses leftists student support free speech even of people who disagree with them. That's what the surveys say, and I prefer them to what the media is trying to sell.

                          Who riots when a speaker they don't like comes on Campus?
                          Did you know that conservatives also send death threats, and bullies people that says thing they disagree with? Professors on campusses? And that some of those people had to cancel talks, a few of them got death threats that caused them to go into hiding. I hope you're against that as well. Its just odd that we don't hear Fox News, or National Review, or PragerU, or any other of these outlets so concerned about freespeech and activists attacking it just... never mention any of that.

                          Personally I think Fox News, et. al. are interested in "Free Speech" as long as its speech they support, and as long as they can use it as a billy club to hit liberals over the head with.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            (kidding in that previous post)

                            It's been my experience, as well, that the left in the US has forever trumpeted "tolerance", when they themselves are anything but.
                            You don't find the Democrats, for example, welcoming pro-life candidates.
                            You see all kinds of hate activity at "free speech" events where there's a conservative speaker.

                            Basically, it resonated with my own personal experience, and I posted it as a conversation starter.
                            Uh, I asked why you specifically said people should watch the video. I don't know if we're just talking past eachother, but I noticed there was a bunch of text beneath that video and read that instead. It contained, basically, word for word, exactly the same stuff in the video. Only less hyped up.

                            I thought since you challenged us to watch the video "rather than the read the article", I thought there'd be more information in it.

                            I personally react very badly to videos like that. And trust me its on both sides. A friend sent me a two-parter critique of capitalism, and I wish it was an article instead.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                              You were right Cow Poke, I didn't watch the whole video before commenting. However, I read the whole thing and I don't agree with it. I'll go point by point.



                              To a certain point, yes, but if those opinions result in harm through action, I don't see anything wrong with intolerance. Those opinions may result in a non-functioning and/or unfree society.



                              The following paragraph gives vague examples of intolerance from the left to benign ideas, and I find this intellectually dishonest. For there to be major pushback against these ideas from the left, they would need to be more detailed.



                              Now Rubin gets more specific. He brings up three incidents as representative of his larger point. The problem is that these are non-issues. The Women's March controversy doesn't really have anything to do with tolerance of opinions. Ben Shapiro is by no means mainstream and his UC Berkeley talk was free of violence or any antifa presence. Maxine Waters was totally right about Kanye saying stupid things and she certainly wasn't rebuking him for saying that "black people should think for themselves".



                              This section starts off with this idiocy about universities. His only evidence that conservatives are less intolerant than liberals, the thesis of the video mind you, is that they "watch movies, travel, and eat ethnic food".

                              Overall, I see no value in this video and I am disappointed by the conservatives on this message board raving over an essay written at a grade school level. Also, after looking up the creator, you'd have to jump through some impressive hoops to label him a liberal.

                              so what you are saying is that you agree with the video that the left is intolerant, but you just try to justify why their intolerance is called for and a good thing. Got it.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                No, he was a moron then who didn't understand anything, and remains a moron now who doesn't understand anything. But he's found it a lucrative scam to tell right-wingers what they want to hear.
                                Nice. You just proved his point about if a member of a normally liberal group steps out of line, they are ostracized and not tolerated. Thanks for the example.


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