Dave Rubin: So You Think You're Tolerant?

[Cow Poke]

The left is tolerant so long as you agree with them

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[Psychic Missile]

Who gets to decide what oppression is?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I decide what oppression is by looking at what groups the evidence indicates are oppressed and what actions contribute to that oppression.

[Psychic Missile]

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Thinking a minority group is inferior and should be treated as such isn't a mere disagreement, it's a repugnance that has led to the greatest atrocities of history. It's a good thing that empathetic individuals are vigilant for the dragging of peoples back to such times. An overzealous few are understandable even if they prove to be an obstacle.

[Cow Poke]

Thinking a minority group is inferior and should be treated as such isn't a mere disagreement, it's a repugnance that has led to the greatest atrocities of history.

And, to which minority group am I doing that?

[LeaC]

Thinking a minority group is inferior and should be treated as such isn't a mere disagreement, it's a repugnance that has led to the greatest atrocities of history. It's a good thing that empathetic individuals are vigilant for the dragging of peoples back to such times. An overzealous few are understandable even if they prove to be an obstacle.

This is the problem, though. You make it a absolutist moral battle rather than legal disagreement and assume that your interpretation of the 'evidence for oppression' is the correct view in all circumstances. I can't tell from this if we disagree on any issues - but I know if I do, I'm a reprehensible monster, regardless of my reasons why.

[rogue06]

The left is tolerant so long as you don't support oppression. If you want to call that intolerance, that's fine with me.

Of course merely having the audacity to disagree with, or simply question, something they say is tantamount to supporting oppression in their eyes.

[Starlight]

This is the problem, though. You make it a absolutist moral battle rather than legal disagreement and assume that your interpretation of the 'evidence for oppression' is the correct view in all circumstances. I can't tell from this if we disagree on any issues - but I know if I do, I'm a reprehensible monster, regardless of my reasons why.

Well presumably everyone thinks some things are "moral issues" for them. I assume you would agree that's reasonable? So if someone views something as a moral issue, and you're on a different side of that issue to them... aren't they reasonable to view you as immoral because of it? But you seem to be complaining about this when imply it's unfair you're viewed as a 'reprehensible monster' for disagreeing with them on these issues?

I find it hard not to read your statements as "waaaah, the left cares about the well-being of others and considers that a moral issue, and so judges us right-wingers as immoral for being nasty to others, waaaah!!!"

[lilpixieofterror]

Well presumably everyone thinks some things are "moral issues" for them. I assume you would agree that's reasonable? So if someone views something as a moral issue, and you're on a different side of that issue to them... aren't they reasonable to view you as immoral because of it? But you seem to be complaining about this when imply it's unfair you're viewed as a 'reprehensible monster' for disagreeing with them on these issues?

I find it hard not to read your statements as "waaaah, the left cares about the well-being of others and considers that a moral issue, and so judges us right-wingers as immoral for being nasty to others, waaaah!!!"

And another Starlight strawman...

[LeaC]

Well presumably everyone thinks some things are "moral issues" for them. I assume you would agree that's reasonable? So if someone views something as a moral issue, and you're on a different side of that issue to them... aren't they reasonable to view you as immoral because of it? But you seem to be complaining about this when imply it's unfair you're viewed as a 'reprehensible monster' for disagreeing with them on these issues?

No, not really. I don't view all political issues as moral issues. Even those that I do view as moral issues, like abortion, I understand why people have opposing views, and who they're trying to protect. But whether someone is pro-life or pro-choice tells me little about how the two of us might decide on legislation to govern it - and I consider that a more important question than moral outrage. At the very least, if I think someone is saying something reprehensible, I want to know why. And increasingly, that discussion seems impossible.

Really, this idea that you think your political opponents are immoral(or believe that I do?) is difficult to understand. Maybe you've lived your entire life surrounded by friends/family/neighbors who all agree with you, but... I haven't. If I denounced everyone I ever argued with, we'd never get through thanksgiving.

I find it hard not to read your statements as "waaaah, the left cares about the well-being of others and considers that a moral issue, and so judges us right-wingers as immoral for being nasty to others, waaaah!!!"

I'm sure you do, but that says more about you than me. Also, I'm not a right-winger.

[Cow Poke]

Well presumably everyone thinks some things are "moral issues" for them. I assume you would agree that's reasonable? So if someone views something as a moral issue, and you're on a different side of that issue to them... aren't they reasonable to view you as immoral because of it? But you seem to be complaining about this when imply it's unfair you're viewed as a 'reprehensible monster' for disagreeing with them on these issues?

I find it hard not to read your statements as "waaaah, the left cares about the well-being of others and considers that a moral issue, and so judges us right-wingers as immoral for being nasty to others, waaaah!!!"

I think you're encapsulating the hatred of the left quite nicely. As a Christian, I see a lot of lost people (and fellow Christians) living immoral lives. I don't assume they're 'reprehensible monsters' - I just assume they're doing what lost people do, and need Jesus.

Now, if they were to advance the cause of murdering newborn children, that might be a different situation!

[RumTumTugger]

I find it hard not to read your statements as "waaaah, the left cares about the well-being of others and considers that a moral issue, and so judges us right-wingers as immoral for being nasty to others, waaaah!!!"

Wrong Starlight, you on the left are being called on for what you always do; make an excuse to take the humanity away from those who you disagree with, so you don't have to have a reasoned discussion about said disagreement.

I accept that you care about the well being of others, well sometimes as I will show. The only difference between the right and the left is that when those of us on the right disagree with the left we just think you are wrong and we are right and we can have a discussion. You leftists on the other hand think those you disagree with are evil and you have the right to call for shutting down their speech, shout them down, punch them in the face etc and it is ok because hey you are combating evil so no discussion is needed. The left is being called out for not wanting a reasoned discussion only group think and using what ever means they can dehumanize those they disagree with so they can shut them down by whatever means you want to.

This difference in attitude is shown very well by what happened on ABC's twitter feed where I first found the story that I mention in my Op here

There was no government taking out of someone else pocket to give to a young man that showed his work ethic and dedication (with no thought to entitlement); it was a private person who happened to be the CEO the company that young man worked for that gave something of his own showing he cared about someone well being. Not to mention the policemen that helped out as well. That incident is a sample of American Ideal that you on the left call evil and uncaring as was shown in the twitter feed all the left could do is say how terrible that the CEO wasn't paying the the young man more he was evil for not doing that or that the original story didn't mention the skin color* of the young man. Those of us on the right on the other hand looked at it and said what an awesome story and well done to both the young man who wanted to make a good impression on his first day and the CEO.


*for some reason the Left seem to think that the color of your skin matters and while we on the Right think the content of your character matters. another difference between the left and the right. color, gender, or walk of life etc. does not matter to the right only character, the left puts you into boxes based on the above. which side was shoring racism? Not the right race did not matter only the individuals of the story mattered.

So folks who's intolerant? The side that just disagrees and wants a discussion or the side that calls the other side evil so they can use any means they care to to shut the other side up.

[Psychic Missile]

And, to which minority group am I doing that?

I'm not saying you're doing that, I'm saying that's commonly what's on the left's minds when they seem "intolerant".

[Psychic Missile]

This is the problem, though. You make it a absolutist moral battle rather than legal disagreement and assume that your interpretation of the 'evidence for oppression' is the correct view in all circumstances. I can't tell from this if we disagree on any issues - but I know if I do, I'm a reprehensible monster, regardless of my reasons why.

The issue itself and its ramifications are what determines whether it's "an absolutist moral battle" or a "legal disagreement" and if my opinion is based on an assumption, it is not one I associate with strong feelings.

[Psychic Missile]

Of course merely having the audacity to disagree with, or simply question, something they say is tantamount to supporting oppression in their eyes.

If what they are saying is "oppression is bad"...

[Cow Poke]

I'm not saying you're doing that, I'm saying that's commonly what's on the left's minds when they seem "intolerant".

And, you know this, how?