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    Dave Rubin: So You Think You're Tolerant?

    This liberal posits that the right is actually more tolerant than the left.

    (I'm betting that, IF they post here at all, the leftists won't bother watching the video before commenting)

    Let me ask the question again. Who is tolerant?

    Here's the surprise. it is actually those scary right-wingers that the media and the universities demonize every day.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Dave Rubin: So You Think You're Tolerant?

    This liberal posits that the right is actually more tolerant than the left.

    (I'm betting that, IF they post here at all, the leftists won't bother watching the video before commenting)

    Let me ask the question again. Who is tolerant?

    Here's the surprise. it is actually those scary right-wingers that the media and the universities demonize every day.
    Excellent read and true!
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      This liberal posits that the right is actually more tolerant than the left.
      This has been my experience on various message boards.
      Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.

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      • #4
        I wish there were more examples. He paints some broad strokes about the left wing in the US, and the sums it up by claiming that the conservatives are superior. There aren't exactly a lot of examples.

        There's three examples given, there's zero discussion about the conservatives. I take it that this is his personal opinion, but it doesn't mesh well with surveys. http://jmrphy.net/blog/2018/02/16/wh...f-free-speech/

        Originally posted by Cow Poke
        (I'm betting that, IF they post here at all, the leftists won't bother watching the video before commenting)
        Watched it. The whole shebang. The video is basically the article, only with colourful infotainment graphics.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
          Watched it. The whole shebang. The video is basically the article, only with colourful infotainment graphics.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            May I ask why you issued the challenge if the video didn't contain any extra information?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
              May I ask why you issued the challenge if the video didn't contain any extra information?
              Sure.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                May I ask why you issued the challenge if the video didn't contain any extra information?
                (kidding in that previous post)

                It's been my experience, as well, that the left in the US has forever trumpeted "tolerance", when they themselves are anything but.
                You don't find the Democrats, for example, welcoming pro-life candidates.
                You see all kinds of hate activity at "free speech" events where there's a conservative speaker.

                Basically, it resonated with my own personal experience, and I posted it as a conversation starter.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                  I wish there were more examples. He paints some broad strokes about the left wing in the US, and the sums it up by claiming that the conservatives are superior. There aren't exactly a lot of examples.
                  He is perfectly right Leonhard. Who has instituted speech codes on College Campuses? Who started the PC movement? Who riots when a speaker they don't like comes on Campus? Who calls for boycotts just because a CEO supports traditional marriage?
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • #10
                    I consider myself left-leaning on most issues, as I have for most of my life. But in the past 10-15 years, I've seen the changes among "my people" that fall in line with this article. They refuse to debate, they don't want to hear nuance, and sometimes flat-out lie. Maybe that's not true of the entirety of the left, but certainly it's been hard in the past few years to find any self-described liberal willing to discuss an issue. I mean, discuss, as in, argue about without assuming your position is 100% correct without evidence. I've had far more success debating with moderates and conservatives.

                    Freedom of speech should not be a controversial stance.

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                    • #11
                      You were right Cow Poke, I didn't watch the whole video before commenting. However, I read the whole thing and I don't agree with it. I'll go point by point.

                      Whatever differences we have, tolerating others' opinions is a prerequisite to a functioning and free society.
                      To a certain point, yes, but if those opinions result in harm through action, I don't see anything wrong with intolerance. Those opinions may result in a non-functioning and/or unfree society.

                      Incredibly, the left isn't even tolerant of the very people they say they are tolerant of.
                      The following paragraph gives vague examples of intolerance from the left to benign ideas, and I find this intellectually dishonest. For there to be major pushback against these ideas from the left, they would need to be more detailed.

                      Here's the thing: Those who only tolerate people they agree with or like aren't actually tolerant.
                      Now Rubin gets more specific. He brings up three incidents as representative of his larger point. The problem is that these are non-issues. The Women's March controversy doesn't really have anything to do with tolerance of opinions. Ben Shapiro is by no means mainstream and his UC Berkeley talk was free of violence or any antifa presence. Maxine Waters was totally right about Kanye saying stupid things and she certainly wasn't rebuking him for saying that "black people should think for themselves".

                      Here's the surprise. it is actually those scary right-wingers that the media and the universities demonize every day.
                      This section starts off with this idiocy about universities. His only evidence that conservatives are less intolerant than liberals, the thesis of the video mind you, is that they "watch movies, travel, and eat ethnic food".

                      Overall, I see no value in this video and I am disappointed by the conservatives on this message board raving over an essay written at a grade school level. Also, after looking up the creator, you'd have to jump through some impressive hoops to label him a liberal.
                      Last edited by Psychic Missile; 07-16-2018, 07:10 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                        Overall, I see no value in this video
                        I'm shocked. SHOCKED, I tell you.

                        and I am disappointed by the conservatives on this message board raving
                        "raving"? SERIOUSLY?

                        over an essay written at a grade school level.
                        Too understandable, eh?

                        Also, after looking up the creator, you'd have to jump through some impressive hoops to label him a liberal.
                        In the video, he labeled himself a liberal. I was merely quoting him.

                        I speak from personal experience. Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment here, but I still consider myself a liberal/ And it is my duty as a liberal to say what I think. I would rather stand for what I believe in than bow down and be loved. The left, sadly, has become utterly intolerant of anyone with whom they disagree.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          "raving"? SERIOUSLY?
                          Using the definition "speak or write about someone or something with great enthusiasm or admiration".

                          In the video, he labeled himself a liberal. I was merely quoting him.
                          No problem, my bad.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                            Using the definition "speak or write about someone or something with great enthusiasm or admiration".
                            Meh - I brought it up for discussion, and I don't see anybody "raving", by any definition.

                            No problem, my bad.
                            Hadn't seen you in a while!
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #15
                              A few comments on who Dave Rubin is...

                              He used to a "progressive" and be on TYT which I watched, and continue to watch regularly. He would often be one panelist among 4 and I would often roll my eyes at him being on there because nothing he said was ever intelligent and wondered what value the others saw in having him on. Apparently behind the scenes he would ask others there what their 'career path' to getting rich was. He then left TYT in his effort to get rich, found that by re-branding as a "libertarian" he was able to get a lot of funding from billionaire-funded right-wing organisations, and so he now spends his time pretending the free-speech of the right is being oppressed ( ). Unfortunately he doesn't even seem to have the intellectual capacity to have gone out and learned the basic arguments for libertarianism, and when challenged to make an argument, he goes with things like "er, well, I've heard that some might argue... [misunderstood repetition of their arguments]". A few of the progressive news outlets I watch online now like to show occasional video clips of Rubin for comedy value, as he fails so hard when he tries to make basic arguments.

                              So now he enjoys telling the gullible right that in a country full of people without healthcare, homeless people, people in jail, lead in the water, ridiculous military overspending, record breaking wealth and income inequality, cops shooting innocents, ICE kidnapping children, etc the Biggest Problem is half a dozen guys not being able to give a talk at a university when anyone who wanted to could view their talks online anyway. The US right is so gullible it deserves Dave Rubin.
                              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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