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    Trump's summit with Putin in Finland, and the associated news conference, have cast Trump in a particularly poor light, with even numerous conservatives criticizing his answers.

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    Trump's shocking statements and abasement of America at the press conference led to "treason" becoming the top-searched word in online-dictionaries.


    Meanwhile, back in America, the DoJ announced it has arrested a major Russian operative named Butina, who is assistant to a Russian senator. And there's some pretty juicy stuff in the filings:

    BUTINA established contact with U.S. [GOP strategist] in Moscow in or around 2013. U.S. [GOP strategist] worked with BUTINA to jointly arrange introductions to U.S. persons having influence in American politics, including [the NRA], for the purpose of advancing the agenda of the Russian Federation...

    Butina to US [GOP strategist] in March 2015: "[The Republican party] would likely obtain control over the U.S. government after the 2016 elections."...

    On October 4, 2016, U.S. [GOP strategist] sent an email to an acquaintance. The email covered a number of topics. Within the email, U.S. [GOP strategist] stated, "Unrelated to specific presidential campaigns, I've been involved in securing a VERY private line of communication between the Kremlin and key [Republican party] leaders through, of all conduits, the [NRA]."
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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    Rolling Stone had an article a couple of months ago covering the Russian activities w.r.t. the NRA. The background information given in this article has led to people thinking that the unnamed GOP strategist referenced in the Butina indictment is either David Keene or Paul Erickson.

    Inside the Decade-Long Russian Campaign to Infiltrate the NRA and Help Elect Trump:

    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      Trump's summit with Putin in Finland, and the associated news conference, have cast Trump in a particularly poor light, with even numerous conservatives criticizing his answers.

      :



      Trump's shocking statements and abasement of America at the press conference led to "treason" becoming the top-searched word in online-dictionaries.


      Meanwhile, back in America, the DoJ announced it has arrested a major Russian operative named Butina, who is assistant to a Russian senator. And there's some pretty juicy stuff in the filings:

      BUTINA established contact with U.S. [GOP strategist] in Moscow in or around 2013. U.S. [GOP strategist] worked with BUTINA to jointly arrange introductions to U.S. persons having influence in American politics, including [the NRA], for the purpose of advancing the agenda of the Russian Federation...

      Butina to US [GOP strategist] in March 2015: "[The Republican party] would likely obtain control over the U.S. government after the 2016 elections."...

      On October 4, 2016, U.S. [GOP strategist] sent an email to an acquaintance. The email covered a number of topics. Within the email, U.S. [GOP strategist] stated, "Unrelated to specific presidential campaigns, I've been involved in securing a VERY private line of communication between the Kremlin and key [Republican party] leaders through, of all conduits, the [NRA]."
      Trump is a traitor. It's as simple as that.

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      • #4
        The basic rule of thumb for these things is that whatever liberals are saying is the exact opposite of reality.

        Source: Debrief on Trump-Putin Presser


        https://theconservativetreehouse.com...till-at-stake/

        © Copyright Original Source


        Source: Paranoia May Destroy Ya� � The Collective Response From the Co-Conspirators�

        https://theconservativetreehouse.com...-conspirators/

        © Copyright Original Source


        Maybe the liberal media would be more fawning if Trump had staged an embarrassing photo op with him and Putin pressing a "reset" button.

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        Last edited by Mountain Man; 07-17-2018, 09:21 AM.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post



          Maybe the liberal media would be more fawning if Trump had staged an embarrassing photo op with him and Putin pressing a "reset" button.

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          Or whispered how he would have more flexibility to negotiate with them after being re-elected.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
            Meanwhile, back in America, the DoJ announced it has arrested a major Russian operative named Butina, who is assistant to a Russian senator. And there's some pretty juicy stuff in the filings:

            BUTINA established contact with U.S. [GOP strategist] in Moscow in or around 2013. U.S. [GOP strategist] worked with BUTINA to jointly arrange introductions to U.S. persons having influence in American politics, including [the NRA], for the purpose of advancing the agenda of the Russian Federation...

            Butina to US [GOP strategist] in March 2015: "[The Republican party] would likely obtain control over the U.S. government after the 2016 elections."...

            On October 4, 2016, U.S. [GOP strategist] sent an email to an acquaintance. The email covered a number of topics. Within the email, U.S. [GOP strategist] stated, "Unrelated to specific presidential campaigns, I've been involved in securing a VERY private line of communication between the Kremlin and key [Republican party] leaders through, of all conduits, the [NRA]."
            As the late Paul Harvey used to say, "And now, the rest of the story..."

            Source: CNN

            http://www.cnn.com/2018/07/16/politi...ina/index.html

            © Copyright Original Source

            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              As the late Paul Harvey used to say, "And now, the rest of the story..."

              Source: CNN

              http://www.cnn.com/2018/07/16/politi...ina/index.html

              © Copyright Original Source

              Niggling details

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #8
                Never let the facts get in the way of a good anti-Trump narrative...
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  The basic rule of thumb for these things is that whatever liberals are saying is the exact opposite of reality.
                  So, when your president trusts a former KGB agent, a man who is actively working to undermine democracy, over the intelligence services in his own country, your main concern is still "liberals"? I think this says quite a lot about the extent to which some Trump supporters are driven by an anti-Hillary-liberal-Obama or whatever agenda that they think all means are justified to achieve their goal.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    Never let the facts get in the way of a good anti-Trump narrative...
                    Even Trump is anti-Trump:
                    US President Donald Trump has said he accepts US intelligence agencies' conclusion that Russia interfered in the 2016 election - despite declining to do so just a day ago.
                    -BBC

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Chuckles View Post
                      So, when your president trusts a former KGB agent, a man who is actively working to undermine democracy, over the intelligence services in his own country, your main concern is still "liberals"
                      Two things to consider:

                      1) There is zero credible evidence that Russia "meddled" in our election or even indirectly changed a single a vote.
                      2) There is a mountain of evidence that operatives inside our own intelligence organizations have been actively conspiring against Trump since he won the Republican primary and have lied through the teeth about their own abuses of power.

                      So while I don't entirely trust Putin, I do trust him more than our intelligence agencies.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Charles View Post
                        So, when your president trusts a former KGB agent, a man who is actively working to undermine democracy, over the intelligence services in his own country, your main concern is still "liberals"? I think this says quite a lot about the extent to which some Trump supporters are driven by an anti-Hillary-liberal-Obama or whatever agenda that they think all means are justified to achieve their goal.
                        Trump tends to attempt geniality at press conferences with other world leaders, and sometimes says stuff he shouldn't. He really should be more careful about what he says (in a multitude of situations), but AFAICT what he says at such events should be taken with a large grain of salt.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          Two things to consider:

                          1) There is zero credible evidence that Russia "meddled" in our election....
                          I wouldn't go that far. I suspect their main goal was to spread chaos and undermine trust in the system, however. Our own dear leaders have been much more blatant in meddling in other countries' elections *cough* Obama *cough*, but I don't see the people commenting here now have any issue with that.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            Two things to consider:

                            1) There is zero credible evidence that Russia "meddled" in our election or even indirectly changed a single a vote.
                            2) There is a mountain of evidence that operatives inside our own intelligence organizations have been actively conspiring against Trump since he won the Republican primary and have lied through the teeth about their own abuses of power.

                            So while I don't entirely trust Putin, I do trust him more than our intelligence agencies.
                            Ok. It seems you disagree with Trump then. "I accept our intelligence community's conclusion that Russia's meddling in the 2016 election took place."

                            https://www.google.dk/amp/s/amp.cnn....nce/index.html

                            So now you neither trust intelligence services nor Trump but only Putin?

                            Trump accepts a conclusion for which you say there is zero evidence. So you still trust him even on that, or?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              Two things to consider:

                              1) There is zero credible evidence that Russia "meddled" in our election or even indirectly changed a single a vote.
                              2) There is a mountain of evidence that operatives inside our own intelligence organizations have been actively conspiring against Trump since he won the Republican primary and have lied through the teeth about their own abuses of power.

                              So while I don't entirely trust Putin, I do trust him more than our intelligence agencies.
                              Really!!

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