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  • #16
    One of the best things about Trump is the evil and insanity he uncovers in others.

    His remarks at the Helsinki presser were perhaps imprudent (but as MM noted, not entirely unjustified). But they had the delightful effect of again showing what a raging vile lunatic John Brennan is, among others.
    Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

    Beige Federalist.

    Nationalist Christian.

    "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

    Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

    Proud member of the this space left blank community.

    Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

    Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

    Justice for Matthew Perna!

    Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      So while I don't entirely trust Putin, I do trust him more than our intelligence agencies.
      Spoken like a true patriot MM!*




      * of Russia.
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        Spoken like a true patriot MM!*




        * of Russia.
        Remember folks, when Bush trusted the intelligence agencies about Iraq having WMD’s and democrats went nuts? I guess trusting intelligence agencies is totally cool again.
        "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
        GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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        • #19
          Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
          Remember folks, when Bush trusted the intelligence agencies about Iraq having WMD’s and democrats went nuts? I guess trusting intelligence agencies is totally cool again.
          That was a case of one totally untrustworthy guy said what Bush wanted to hear. This is a case of multiple, multiple, lines and types of evidence many of which are in the public sphere. Trump Jr himself publicly released an email that literally said "This... is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr Trump" and he replied "love it" and had a meeting with them. And that's like, almost the least of the evidence at this point, there is so much. In this case the intelligence agencies are simply confirming what everyone knows already and saying they have even more evidence still to be revealed. It's not as if we're relying on them for the crucial piece of evidence.
          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Chuckles View Post
            Ok. It seems you disagree with Trump then. "I accept our intelligence community's conclusion that Russia's meddling in the 2016 election took place."

            https://www.google.dk/amp/s/amp.cnn....nce/index.html

            So now you neither trust intelligence services nor Trump but only Putin?

            Trump accepts a conclusion for which you say there is zero evidence. So you still trust him even on that, or?
            Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
            This defies belief. There is considerable evidence that Russia "meddled". The Republican led Senate Intelligence Committee report supports U.S. intelligence agencies’ conclusion that Russia tried to help Donald Trump win the 2016 election and hurt Hillary's chances. Yet you dismiss your own country's findings in favour of supporting the views of the hostile power that engineered the interference? Really!!
            So where's evidence?

            When Mueller was asked that same question, he essentially told the judge, "The dog ate my homework."

            https://theconservativetreehouse.com...-interference/

            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              That was a case of one totally untrustworthy guy said what Bush wanted to hear. This is a case of multiple, multiple, lines and types of evidence many of which are in the public sphere. Trump Jr himself publicly released an email that literally said "This... is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr Trump" and he replied "love it" and had a meeting with them. And that's like, almost the least of the evidence at this point, there is so much. In this case the intelligence agencies are simply confirming what everyone knows already and saying they have even more evidence still to be revealed. It's not as if we're relying on them for the crucial piece of evidence.
              Actually, several intelligence sources say there were WMD’s and some say that they were moved and still maintain that. We all know how this works though:

              1. If Trump agrees and takes steps in that direction than he’s a warmonger that wants to start a war with Russia.
              2. If Trumo disagrees than he’s a traitor and an agent of Putin.

              No matter what, he’s wrong. We all know how the game works. Stop pretending otherwise. In reality, no collusion took place and even CNN was forced to admit that. If you say otherwise, give me a list of Americans indicted for doing that thus far.
              Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 07-18-2018, 07:00 AM.
              "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
              GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                So where's evidence?

                When Mueller was asked that same question, he essentially told the judge, "The dog ate my homework."

                https://theconservativetreehouse.com...-interference/

                You did not answer the questions. Too difficult to admit that either you were wrong or you disagree with Trump? Ignoring questions is not convincing.

                You could ask your president where the evidence is because he (suddenly) accepts what intelligence agencies have been saying for quite long. I trust American intelligence services. You don't but your president does.
                "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Chuckles View Post
                  You did not answer the questions. Too difficult to admit that either you were wrong or you disagree with Trump? Ignoring questions is not convincing.
                  I disagree with Trump on this point. Big deal.

                  Now where's the evidence of Russian "meddling"?
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    I wouldn't go that far. I suspect their main goal was to spread chaos and undermine trust in the system, however. Our own dear leaders have been much more blatant in meddling in other countries' elections *cough* Obama *cough*, but I don't see the people commenting here now have any issue with that.
                    I suppose it depends on what is meant by "meddling". If you mean that some Russians may have posted a handful of memes on Facebook slamming both sides during the election then, sure, they "meddled", but every indication is that their efforts were minimal and largely ineffective. Of course that's not what liberals mean when they say "meddling"; they're using the term as a synonym for "criminal conspiracy", and there is zero evidence to support that accusation.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      I disagree with Trump on this point. Big deal.

                      Now where's the evidence of Russian "meddling"?
                      So you finally admit to disagreeing with Trump. Big deal, yes.

                      If you do not trust American intelligence services, no evidence will do the trick for you. Even Trump points to them.

                      Putin whom you put more trust in will deny. You might want to study this mans history, ideas and ideals. I suspect it will weaken your trust in him.
                      "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Chuckles View Post
                        If you do not trust American intelligence services, no evidence will do the trick for you.
                        This is just your way of admitting that there is no evidence, right?
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          This is just your way of admitting that there is no evidence, right?
                          How would that follow? It seems you need to study some basic logic.
                          "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                          • #28
                            If the evidence is solid then indict him.

                            I suspect they don't have any solid evidence. What they have is likely a three foot stack of bad maybe-evidence (maybevence?). But a three foot stack of poor evidence doesn't add up to solid evidence.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Chuckles View Post
                              How would that follow? It seems you need to study some basic logic.
                              I can't help but notice that when I asked for evidence, you've done everything but actually show me the evidence. Don't you find that curious? Because I do.
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                                If the evidence is solid then indict him.

                                I suspect they don't have any solid evidence. What they have is likely a three foot stack of bad maybe-evidence (maybevence?). But a three foot stack of poor evidence doesn't add up to solid evidence.
                                I am not sure, I get your point. What was discussed was whether there was evidence Russia meddled in the 2016 election.

                                If you talk about indicting Trump then I have not heard intelligence services claim they have conclusive evidence that he know about Russian activities to undermine the democratic proces. Whatever Putin has got on Trump I do not know. But it does not look as white as snow to me.
                                "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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