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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIn general? That's far too broad a question, Jim. I've seen no evidence of Trump colluding or conspiring to collude with Russia. I'm sure Putin is ecstatic with US sanctions on Russia, US assistance to Ukraine, US bombing of Russia's ally Syria, Trump pushing Germany to have less dependence on Russia, Trump's economic policies pushing down oil prices upon which Russia heavily depends....Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostGood enough, you are obviously still of the opinion that Trump and his administration are innocent. Thanks for the confirmation.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostOf your nebulous asserted charges? Quite possibly, though I'm (as ever) open to evidence otherwise - which evidence you seem allergic to actually presenting.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThat's why I keep telling clueless liberals to pay attention to the President's actions instead of hanging themselves on every diplomatic word uttered at a joint press conference. Or as we've been saying, start taking the President seriously instead of taking him literally.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYou should take your own advice there MM, but you should pay attention to his words as well. Might help!"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostSo have you come up with an explanation of how getting Germany energy independence from Russia actually helps Russia?Last edited by JimL; 07-19-2018, 11:03 PM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostLilpix, Trump lied to you again, Germany is not dependent upon Russia, is not captive of Russia. Germany only gets 10% of it's energy from Russia, not 60 or 70 percent as Trump asserted.. Stop simply accepting everything that comes out of Trumps mouth as truth, because actually nearly everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie. The only reason Germany even gets its natural gas from Russia is because its cheap.
Nearly half the natural gas flowing through pipelines into Germany last year came from Russia. Like the rest of the European Union, Germany relies on Russian exports as its main supply of gas and crude oil. Natural gas is the fuel where Germany’s proportion of imports from Russia is highest: it’s about 40 percent for crude oil, and about 30 percent for coal.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/w...ussia-gas.html
So you’re wrong too and how much do you suppose this is worth to the Russian economy every year? How much damage would cutting off this source of revenue do to Russia? Yep, Trump is clearly an agent of Putin or something. Doesn’t matter if it’s cheap or not. Handing billions to Russia while seeking protection from Russia makes no sense. You don’t prop up the economy of those you’re afraid of, so is Putin a serious threat or not?Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 07-19-2018, 11:16 PM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThat's why I keep telling clueless liberals to pay attention to the President's actions instead of hanging themselves on every diplomatic word uttered at a joint press conference. Or as we've been saying, start taking the President seriously instead of taking him literally.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostInteresting because here’s what the consertives at The New York Times say:
Nearly half the natural gas flowing through pipelines into Germany last year came from Russia. Like the rest of the European Union, Germany relies on Russian exports as its main supply of gas and crude oil. Natural gas is the fuel where Germany’s proportion of imports from Russia is highest: it’s about 40 percent for crude oil, and about 30 percent for coal.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/w...ussia-gas.html
So you’re wrong too and how much do you suppose this is worth to the Russian economy every year? How much damage would cutting off this source of revenue do to Russia? Yep, Trump is clearly an agent of Putin or something. Doesn’t matter if it’s cheap or not. Handing billions to Russia while seeking protection from Russia makes no sense. You don’t prop up the economy of those you’re afraid of, so is Putin a serious threat or not?Last edited by JimL; 07-20-2018, 12:35 AM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostLilpix, Trump lied to you again, Germany is not dependent upon Russia, is not captive of Russia. Germany only gets 10% of it's energy from Russia, not 60 or 70 percent as Trump asserted.. Stop simply accepting everything that comes out of Trumps mouth as truth, because actually nearly everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie. The only reason Germany even gets its natural gas from Russia is because its cheap.Originally posted by JimL View Post59% of Germany's energy comes from oil and gas, the other 41% comes from coal, renewables and nuclear. That means that roughly 20% of Germany's energy overall comes from Russia, not 70% as per the liar and chief. Besides that, it's a canard, the U.S. also spends Billions of dollars on Russian oil, 7 billion last year, so why should the the other NATO members protect us?Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe Democrat's new symbol should be Lewis Carroll's Queen of Hearts as they mirror her attitude of "Sentence first! Verdict afterwards."Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell, whether you are open to evidence or not, at this point you're obviously of the opinion that Trump and his minions are all innocent of any collusion/conspiracy charges, yes?Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostUntil I see evidence otherwise, I'm of the opinion that Trump is innocent of any collusion/conspiracy charges. Your shifting of goalposts is noted, Jim; "his minions" is another one of those nebulously defined terms which you just might be using as a 'gotcha'. As it appears Manafort may have attempted to get someone on the team in exchange for money, and you undoubtedly are of the opinion that Manafort is a "minion" of Trump, I'll decline to take that particular bait.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostOk, so you stll think Trump and his administration is innocent. Great, just wanted to get that on the record. Thanks.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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