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  • #46
    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Pending evidence otherwise, yes. That's how our judicial system is supposed to work.
    Your opinion has nothing to do with the Judicial system, OBP. That you see no evidence at all is telling in and of itself.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by JimL View Post
      Your opinion has nothing to do with the Judicial system, OBP.
      Well, yes. I have no idea how you got that from what I said.
      That you see no evidence at all is telling in and of itself.
      I can't see what isn't there, Jim. Go ahead - provide some.

      Here's a suggestion: I'm rather more impressed with evidence than attempts to win the internets - especially when the person attempting such winning routinely fails spectacularly.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by JimL View Post
        59% of Germany's energy comes from oil and gas, the other 41% comes from coal, renewables and nuclear. That means that roughly 20% of Germany's energy overall comes from Russia, not 70% as per the liar and chief. Besides that, it's a canard, the U.S. also spends Billions of dollars on Russian oil, 7 billion last year, so why should the the other NATO members protect us?
        7 billion is a drop in the bucket considering the US spent 1.217 trillion in energy in 2015. That’s no where near 10-20% Jimmy. Second NATO members protect us? That’s funny considering we pay 70% of NATO’s bills and have a larger military force than all the rest of NATO combined. You need to stop getting your talking points from whoever you get them from because they seem to be making their figures up from thin air or giving zero context to what they say.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
          7 billion is a drop in the bucket considering the US spent 1.217 trillion in energy in 2015. That’s no where near 10-20% Jimmy. Second NATO members protect us? That’s funny considering we pay 70% of NATO’s bills and have a larger military force than all the rest of NATO combined. You need to stop getting your talking points from whoever you get them from because they seem to be making their figures up from thin air or giving zero context to what they say.
          Wrong again Lilpix. The 70% that the liar and chief is refering to is the entire U.S. Military Budget, which being a global power is obviously huge, but is not how the NATO budget is derived. The NATO budget is derived in accordance with each particular members GDP and the U.S having by far the largest GDP is the highest contributer to THE NATO MILITARY BUDGET, and the U.S. contribution is 22%, 2nd is Germany at 15% with France and the United Kingdom coming in third at 10% each. That's 57%. The other 43% is divided up amongst the other 20 something less wealthy countries. So, you need to stop getting your talking points from the liar and chief because he seems to be making his figures up from thin air or giving zero context to what they say.

          And BTW, if Trump is going to criticize Germany for enriching Russia because they import oil from Russia, then he should first lead by example and stop importing 7 billion dollars worth of oil a year from Russia.
          Last edited by JimL; 07-20-2018, 04:29 PM.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by JimL View Post
            Wrong again Lilpix. The 70% that the liar and chief is refering to is the entire U.S. Military Budget, which being a global power is obviously huge, but is not how the NATO budget is derived. The NATO budget is derived in accordance with each particular members GDP and the U.S having by far the largest GDP is the highest contributer to THE NATO MILITARY BUDGET, and the U.S. contribution is 22%, 2nd is Germany at 15% with France and the United Kingdom coming in third at 10% each. That's 57%. The other 43% is divided up amongst the other 20 something less wealthy countries. So, you need to stop getting your talking points from the liar and chief because he seems to be making his figures up from thin air or giving zero context to what they say.

            And BTW, if Trump is going to criticize Germany for enriching Russia because they import oil from Russia, then he should first lead by example and stop importing 7 billion dollars worth of oil a year from Russia.
            There he goes again, asserting numbers without backup.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by JimL View Post
              Wrong again Lilpix. The 70% that the liar and chief is refering to is the entire U.S. Military Budget, which being a global power is obviously huge, but is not how the NATO budget is derived. The NATO budget is derived in accordance with each particular members GDP and the U.S having by far the largest GDP is the highest contributer to THE NATO MILITARY BUDGET, and the U.S. contribution is 22%, 2nd is Germany at 15% with France and the United Kingdom coming in third at 10% each. That's 57%. The other 43% is divided up amongst the other 20 something less wealthy countries. So, you need to stop getting your talking points from the liar and chief because he seems to be making his figures up from thin air or giving zero context to what they say.
              Nice to see you throw up more numbers without backing them up. The reality is The rest of NATO has nothing on us and would lose most of its teeth without US military might to back it up. A single Nimitz class aircraft carrier is capable of generating more fighter aircraft than the entire German Air Force could and we have 10 in active service. A single USAF active duty air refueling or material wing had more aircraft of its mission type than exist in the entire air forces of the three biggest next NATO nations. NATO exist and is feared mainly because of US military power.

              And BTW, if Trump is going to criticize Germany for enriching Russia because they import oil from Russia, then he should first lead by example and stop importing 7 billion dollars worth of oil a year from Russia.
              7 billion is a drop in the bucket of the US trillion dollar energy market. Did you ever think much of the issue is Russia using the carrot and stick method by hanging oil over Germany to make them less likely to do something they donÂ’t like?
              Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 07-20-2018, 10:27 PM.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                Pending evidence otherwise, yes. That's how our judicial system is supposed to work.
                True, one is innocent until proven guilty, but no one can say there’s no evidence supporting Trump’s collusion with Russia. There’s actually a lot of evidence accumulating of Trump-Russia collusion.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                  There he goes again, asserting numbers without backup.
                  There he goes again, proving once again that he doesn't care enough to check out whether it's true or not.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                    Nice to see you throw up more numbers without backing them up. The reality is The rest of NATO has nothing on us and would lose most of its teeth without US military might to back it up. A single Nimitz class aircraft carrier is capable of generating more fighter aircraft than the entire German Air Force could and we have 10 in active service. A single USAF active duty air refueling or material wing had more aircraft of its mission type than exist in the entire air forces of the three biggest next NATO nations. NATO exist and is feared mainly because of US military power.
                    Nice to see that you completely ignored the point, which was that your assertion that the U.S. payed 70% of the NATO budget was completely false. The U.S. pays 22%, the rest of NATO pays the other 78%.


                    7 billion is a drop in the bucket of the US trillion dollar energy market. Did you ever think much of the issue is Russia using the carrot and stick method by hanging oil over Germany to make them less likely to do something they donÂ’t like?
                    The principle is the same Lilpix. Trumps contention was that we shouldn't be in mutual military support with Germany if they are getting energy from Russia. If that's true, which it isn't, then the U.S. shouldn't be getting energy from Russia either.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by JimL View Post
                      Nice to see that you completely ignored the point, which was that your assertion that the U.S. payed 70% of the NATO budget was completely false. The U.S. pays 22%, the rest of NATO pays the other 78%.
                      I think it has a lot to do with how the figures are calculated. For instance, right after a debate between Clinton and Sanders CNN Money published the following graphic based on NATO numbers:


                      And here's another from Forbes from this month:



                      That looks a lot more than 22%
                      Last edited by rogue06; 07-21-2018, 10:02 AM.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        I think it has a lot to do with how the figures are calculated. For instance, right after a debate between Clinton and Sanders CNN Money published the following graphic based on NATO numbers:
                        CNN must be a shill for Trump.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          I think it has a lot to do with how the figures are calculated. For instance, right after a debate between Clinton and Sanders CNN Money published the following graphic based on NATO numbers:

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                          And here's another from Forbes from this month:

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                          That looks a lot more than 22%
                          Yeah, that's because the both of you keep mistakingly posting the U.S. total yearly military budget rather than their NATO budget. Two different things.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by seer View Post
                            CNN must be a shill for Trump.
                            Well they are fake news, remember?

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                              True, one is innocent until proven guilty, but no one can say there’s no evidence supporting Trump’s collusion with Russia. There’s actually a lot of evidence accumulating of Trump-Russia collusion.
                              Fine. Let's see it, then.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by JimL View Post
                                There he goes again, proving once again that he doesn't care enough to check out whether it's true or not.
                                That's not how this works, Jim. If you want to be taken seriously, back up your numbers.

                                I suspect you don't care about being taken seriously, and have some idea that yelling loudly enough will make your point for you. Feel free to prove me wrong.
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