Maria Butina, Russian operative arrested.

[JimL]

In general? That's far too broad a question, Jim. I've seen no evidence of Trump colluding or conspiring to collude with Russia. I'm sure Putin is ecstatic with US sanctions on Russia, US assistance to Ukraine, US bombing of Russia's ally Syria, Trump pushing Germany to have less dependence on Russia, Trump's economic policies pushing down oil prices upon which Russia heavily depends....

Good enough, you are obviously still of the opinion that Trump and his administration are innocent. Thanks for the confirmation.

[Mountain Man]

In general? That's far too broad a question, Jim. I've seen no evidence of Trump colluding or conspiring to collude with Russia. I'm sure Putin is ecstatic with US sanctions on Russia, US assistance to Ukraine, US bombing of Russia's ally Syria, Trump pushing Germany to have less dependence on Russia, Trump's economic policies pushing down oil prices upon which Russia heavily depends....

That's why I keep telling clueless liberals to pay attention to the President's actions instead of hanging themselves on every diplomatic word uttered at a joint press conference. Or as we've been saying, start taking the President seriously instead of taking him literally.

[One Bad Pig]

Good enough, you are obviously still of the opinion that Trump and his administration are innocent. Thanks for the confirmation.

Of your nebulous asserted charges? Quite possibly, though I'm (as ever) open to evidence otherwise - which evidence you seem allergic to actually presenting.

[JimL]

Of your nebulous asserted charges? Quite possibly, though I'm (as ever) open to evidence otherwise - which evidence you seem allergic to actually presenting.

Well, whether you are open to evidence or not, at this point you're obviously of the opinion that Trump and his minions are all innocent of any collusion/conspiracy charges, yes?

[JimL]

That's why I keep telling clueless liberals to pay attention to the President's actions instead of hanging themselves on every diplomatic word uttered at a joint press conference. Or as we've been saying, start taking the President seriously instead of taking him literally.

You should take your own advice there MM, but you should pay attention to his words as well. Might help!

[lilpixieofterror]

You should take your own advice there MM, but you should pay attention to his words as well. Might help!

So have you come up with an explanation of how getting Germany energy independence from Russia actually helps Russia?

[JimL]

So have you come up with an explanation of how getting Germany energy independence from Russia actually helps Russia?

Lilpix, Trump lied to you again, Germany is not dependent upon Russia, is not captive of Russia. Germany only gets 10% of it's energy from Russia, not 60 or 70 percent as Trump asserted.. Stop simply accepting everything that comes out of Trumps mouth as truth, because actually nearly everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie. The only reason Germany even gets its natural gas from Russia is because its cheap.

[lilpixieofterror]

Lilpix, Trump lied to you again, Germany is not dependent upon Russia, is not captive of Russia. Germany only gets 10% of it's energy from Russia, not 60 or 70 percent as Trump asserted.. Stop simply accepting everything that comes out of Trumps mouth as truth, because actually nearly everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie. The only reason Germany even gets its natural gas from Russia is because its cheap.

Interesting because here’s what the consertives at The New York Times say:

Nearly half the natural gas flowing through pipelines into Germany last year came from Russia. Like the rest of the European Union, Germany relies on Russian exports as its main supply of gas and crude oil. Natural gas is the fuel where Germany’s proportion of imports from Russia is highest: it’s about 40 percent for crude oil, and about 30 percent for coal.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/w...ussia-gas.html

So you’re wrong too and how much do you suppose this is worth to the Russian economy every year? How much damage would cutting off this source of revenue do to Russia? Yep, Trump is clearly an agent of Putin or something. Doesn’t matter if it’s cheap or not. Handing billions to Russia while seeking protection from Russia makes no sense. You don’t prop up the economy of those you’re afraid of, so is Putin a serious threat or not?

[Tassman]

That's why I keep telling clueless liberals to pay attention to the President's actions instead of hanging themselves on every diplomatic word uttered at a joint press conference. Or as we've been saying, start taking the President seriously instead of taking him literally.

You mean we must understand what Trump REALLY means when he's lying? Gotcha!

[JimL]

Interesting because here’s what the consertives at The New York Times say:

Nearly half the natural gas flowing through pipelines into Germany last year came from Russia. Like the rest of the European Union, Germany relies on Russian exports as its main supply of gas and crude oil. Natural gas is the fuel where Germany’s proportion of imports from Russia is highest: it’s about 40 percent for crude oil, and about 30 percent for coal.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/w...ussia-gas.html

So you’re wrong too and how much do you suppose this is worth to the Russian economy every year? How much damage would cutting off this source of revenue do to Russia? Yep, Trump is clearly an agent of Putin or something. Doesn’t matter if it’s cheap or not. Handing billions to Russia while seeking protection from Russia makes no sense. You don’t prop up the economy of those you’re afraid of, so is Putin a serious threat or not?

59% of Germany's energy comes from oil and gas, the other 41% comes from coal, renewables and nuclear. That means that roughly 20% of Germany's energy overall comes from Russia, not 70% as per the liar and chief. Besides that, it's a canard, the U.S. also spends Billions of dollars on Russian oil, 7 billion last year, so why should the the other NATO members protect us?

[One Bad Pig]

Lilpix, Trump lied to you again, Germany is not dependent upon Russia, is not captive of Russia. Germany only gets 10% of it's energy from Russia, not 60 or 70 percent as Trump asserted.. Stop simply accepting everything that comes out of Trumps mouth as truth, because actually nearly everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie. The only reason Germany even gets its natural gas from Russia is because its cheap.

59% of Germany's energy comes from oil and gas, the other 41% comes from coal, renewables and nuclear. That means that roughly 20% of Germany's energy overall comes from Russia, not 70% as per the liar and chief. Besides that, it's a canard, the U.S. also spends Billions of dollars on Russian oil, 7 billion last year, so why should the the other NATO members protect us?

On one hand, we have Lilpix, who provides a source for her numbers. On the other hand, we have Jim, who provides unsupported assertions within hours which contradict each other. Gee, which one is more believable?

[Mountain Man]

The Democrat's new symbol should be Lewis Carroll's Queen of Hearts as they mirror her attitude of "Sentence first! Verdict afterwards."

Could it be any more fitting that their current symbol is a jackass?

[One Bad Pig]

Well, whether you are open to evidence or not, at this point you're obviously of the opinion that Trump and his minions are all innocent of any collusion/conspiracy charges, yes?

Until I see evidence otherwise, I'm of the opinion that Trump is innocent of any collusion/conspiracy charges. Your shifting of goalposts is noted, Jim; "his minions" is another one of those nebulously defined terms which you just might be using as a 'gotcha'. As it appears Manafort may have attempted to get someone on the team in exchange for money, and you undoubtedly are of the opinion that Manafort is a "minion" of Trump, I'll decline to take that particular bait.

[JimL]

Until I see evidence otherwise, I'm of the opinion that Trump is innocent of any collusion/conspiracy charges. Your shifting of goalposts is noted, Jim; "his minions" is another one of those nebulously defined terms which you just might be using as a 'gotcha'. As it appears Manafort may have attempted to get someone on the team in exchange for money, and you undoubtedly are of the opinion that Manafort is a "minion" of Trump, I'll decline to take that particular bait.

Ok, so you stll think Trump and his administration is innocent. Great, just wanted to get that on the record. Thanks.

[One Bad Pig]

Ok, so you stll think Trump and his administration is innocent. Great, just wanted to get that on the record. Thanks.

Pending evidence otherwise, yes. That's how our judicial system is supposed to work.