Another nail in the traitors coffin.

[JimL]

It turns out that on Jan. 6th 2017, a week before his inauguration, Trump was personally briefed and shown proof that Russia was guilty of a Putin directed influence and hacking campaign of the 2016 election in order to help him win. Trump was shown both text messages and e-mails from top Russian military officers to V. Putin showing that Putin himself ordered the hacking. Trump has known all along and has been lying to the American people the whole time pretending that he didn't know if it was Russia. That's called "accomplice after the fact" and is obstruction of justice, an impeachable offence. With any other Congress, that would be the last nail in the coffin, although I wouldn't count on this particular cowardly group of republicans to go down that road. Personally, I have a feeling Trump will be requesting asylum in Russia before to long. For the sake of the country and the rest of the free world, I certainly hope so.

[lilpixieofterror]

It turns out that on Jan. 6th 2017, a week before his inauguration, Trump was personally briefed and shown proof that Russia was guilty of a Putin directed influence and hacking campaign of the 2016 election in order to help him win. Trump was shown both text messages and e-mails from top Russian military officers to V. Putin showing that Putin himself ordered the hacking. Trump has known all along and has been lying to the American people the whole time pretending that he didn't know if it was Russia. That's called "accomplice after the fact" and is obstruction of justice, an impeachable offence. With any other Congress, that would be the last nail in the coffin, although I wouldn't count on this particular cowardly group of republicans to go down that road. Personally, I have a feeling Trump will be requesting asylum in Russia before to long. For the sake of the country and the rest of the free world, I certainly hope so.

Source please.

[Starlight]

Source please.

Source.

and is obstruction of justice, an impeachable offence.

Legal articles I have read about impeachment have said that there is no such thing as an 'impeachable offence', but rather congress has authority to impeach on any grounds they feel like regardless of whether or not other laws exist that make the thing illegal or not. The judgment they are making is whether the person has done something that warrants removal from office, not whether the person has broken a specific law.

[Terraceth]

Legal articles I have read about impeachment have said that there is no such thing as an 'impeachable offence', but rather congress has authority to impeach on any grounds they feel like regardless of whether or not other laws exist that make the thing illegal or not. The judgment they are making is whether the person has done something that warrants removal from office, not whether the person has broken a specific law.

There are impeachable offenses, but it's fairly broad. The Constitution says "Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." So you need something, but even a misdemeanor will do. Though if any president is unpopular enough congress wants to get rid of him or her, I'm sure they could find something to warrant it.

[Tassman]

It turns out that on Jan. 6th 2017, a week before his inauguration, Trump was personally briefed and shown proof that Russia was guilty of a Putin directed influence and hacking campaign of the 2016 election in order to help him win. Trump was shown both text messages and e-mails from top Russian military officers to V. Putin showing that Putin himself ordered the hacking. Trump has known all along and has been lying to the American people the whole time pretending that he didn't know if it was Russia. That's called "accomplice after the fact" and is obstruction of justice, an impeachable offence. With any other Congress, that would be the last nail in the coffin, although I wouldn't count on this particular cowardly group of republicans to go down that road. Personally, I have a feeling Trump will be requesting asylum in Russia before to long. For the sake of the country and the rest of the free world, I certainly hope so.

I hadn't thought of Trump requesting asylum in Russia, but nothing, nothing would surprise me with this debacle of a presidency. As for his "no collusion"crap he (and Donald Jr) both showed themselves open to it and capable of it.

[seer]

It turns out that on Jan. 6th 2017, a week before his inauguration, Trump was personally briefed and shown proof that Russia was guilty of a Putin directed influence and hacking campaign of the 2016 election in order to help him win. Trump was shown both text messages and e-mails from top Russian military officers to V. Putin showing that Putin himself ordered the hacking. Trump has known all along and has been lying to the American people the whole time pretending that he didn't know if it was Russia. That's called "accomplice after the fact" and is obstruction of justice, an impeachable offence. With any other Congress, that would be the last nail in the coffin, although I wouldn't count on this particular cowardly group of republicans to go down that road. Personally, I have a feeling Trump will be requesting asylum in Russia before to long. For the sake of the country and the rest of the free world, I certainly hope so.

But Trump did say that Russia did hack, from well over a year ago.

[seer]

This is for all you leftists, though it will fall on deaf ears. The reason why Trump has been all over the map on this Russian thing it that he sees that the left is trying to use that to undermine his win. He said it in Helsinki - he worked harder than Hillary and smarter. There is no evidence that what the Russians did changed one vote or that Trump colluded on any level. But the left will keep using this to delegitimize his presidency. No wonder he doesn't want to give credence to it.

As Byron York wrote...

The president clearly believes if he gives an inch on the what-Russia-did part -- if he concedes that Russia made an effort to disrupt the election -- his adversaries, who want to discredit his election, undermine him and force him from office, will take a mile on the get-Trump part. That's consistent with how Trump approaches other problems; he doesn't admit anything because he knows that his adversaries will never be satisfied and just demand more.

[lilpixieofterror]

Source.

Glad to see you pulling Jimmy’s water for him, but not everyone agrees with your take on his statement.

Legal articles I have read about impeachment have said that there is no such thing as an 'impeachable offence', but rather congress has authority to impeach on any grounds they feel like regardless of whether or not other laws exist that make the thing illegal or not. The judgment they are making is whether the person has done something that warrants removal from office, not whether the person has broken a specific law.

You would think that you would learn to be careful what new rules you make up because your opponents might do the same thing. Do you seriously want to set the precedence that congress removes a president just for not liking him?

[Cow Poke]

It turns out that on Jan. 6th 2017, a week before his inauguration, Trump was personally briefed and shown proof that Russia was guilty of a Putin directed influence and hacking campaign of the 2016 election in order to help him win. Trump was shown both text messages and e-mails from top Russian military officers to V. Putin showing that Putin himself ordered the hacking. Trump has known all along and has been lying to the American people the whole time pretending that he didn't know if it was Russia. That's called "accomplice after the fact" and is obstruction of justice, an impeachable offence. With any other Congress, that would be the last nail in the coffin, although I wouldn't count on this particular cowardly group of republicans to go down that road. Personally, I have a feeling Trump will be requesting asylum in Russia before to long. For the sake of the country and the rest of the free world, I certainly hope so.

Why do you always spew forth ignorance with no source whatsoever?

[Cow Poke]

There are impeachable offenses, but it's fairly broad. The Constitution says "Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." So you need something, but even a misdemeanor will do. Though if any president is unpopular enough congress wants to get rid of him or her, I'm sure they could find something to warrant it.

It boils down to impeachment being more political than criminal.

[Cow Poke]

Source.

Thank you, sir, for doing Jim's work for him.

[JimL]

Thank you, sir, for doing Jim's work for him.

If you truly cared one way or the other you could do the work for yourself. Trouble is that like lilpix, you, seer and others here, you're of the opinion that Trump and his administration are completely innocent and nothing is going to convince you otherwise. Do I have that right, that after this year and a half you are still of the opinion that the Trump administration is innocent? Not asking for fact thingies CP, just your opinion.

[Mountain Man]

Here's the key line from the original New York Times story:

"Mr. Trump sounded grudgingly convinced, according to several people who attended the intelligence briefing."

"...according to several people..." What people? Who? The article doesn't say. So another anonymous source telling the mainstream media exactly what they want to hear. Come on, you guys should know better than this by now, especially coming from such a dubious publication.

But even assuming all of this is true, do you know who else did nothing about Russian "meddling"? Obama. According to an on-the-record source, Obama was made aware of Russian attempts to "influence" the election and yet gave his cyber security expert a "stand down" order.

Source: Obama cyber chief confirms 'stand down' order against Russian cyberattacks in summer 2016

The Obama White House’s chief cyber official testified Wednesday that proposals he was developing to counter Russia’s attack on the U.S. presidential election were put on a “back burner” after he was ordered to “stand down” his efforts in the summer of 2016.

The comments by Michael Daniel, who served as White House “cyber security coordinator” between 2012 and January of last year, provided his first public confirmation of a much-discussed passage in the book, “Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin’s War on America and the Election of Donald Trump,” co-written by this reporter and David Corn, that detailed his thwarted efforts to respond to the Russian attack.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-cyb...204935758.html

© Copyright Original Source

So if Trump is guilty of treason then Obama is doubly so.

Of course we wouldn't be hearing a word about any of this if Hillary had won, so I take the righteous indignation of liberals with a grain of salt.

[mossrose]

Thank you, sir, for doing Jim's work for him.

And yet SL refused to give me sources in another thread when I asked him to because, you know, he is not my slave.

[mossrose]

If you truly cared one way or the other you could do the work for yourself. Trouble is that like lilpix, you, seer and others here, you're of the opinion that Trump and his administration are completely innocent and nothing is going to convince you otherwise. Do I have that right, that after this year and a half you are still of the opinion that the Trump administration is innocent? Not asking for fact thingies CP, just your opinion.

Oh, I guess Jim is the same as SL. Post something without a source, and when asked for one, tell you to do it yourself.

Best buds, they are.