Another nail in the traitors coffin.

[Cow Poke]

But, there's an error in the thread title, so he didn't even get past that...

Just one?

[mossrose]

Just one?

I just see one. But I am blinded by my inability to recognize the "truth" when it isn't presented.

[Cow Poke]

I just see one. But I am blinded by my inability to recognize the "truth" when it isn't presented.

Laughing. I meant - that's WONDERFUL news - only one error!

People who screw up thread titles need to be BANNINATED!!!!!





[backing away slowly]

[JimL]

You don't remember this when it happened? You act like this was some secret briefing nobody knew about? We discussed it here on tweb.

The same people who have now pretty much been dismissed and under investigation now were the ones who briefed Trump.

Trump said he didn't believe them at the time. Your accusations are ridiculous.


---from 2016----
Donald Trump said on Sunday that a CIA conclusion that Russia interfered with the 2016 presidential election was “ridiculous”, and that he did not believe that the Kremlin had tried to bolster his candidacy.

The president-elect said the CIA’s assessment was “just another excuse” for his stunning defeat of Hillary Clinton last month.

“I don’t believe it,” Trump said in an interview with Fox News Sunday. “Every week it’s another excuse.”

Two days earlier, the Washington Post reported that in a secret assessment, the CIA had concluded the Russian government sought to influence the election by hacking into Democratic party emails.

During the campaign, the intelligence community accused Russia-backed actors of hacking emails from the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, John Podesta.

Thousands of the emails, which intelligence officials said were provided by individuals with ties to the Russian government, were published by WikiLeaks. At the time officials said Russia hoped to undermine confidence in the election, but did not explicitly say the Kremlin favored Trump, as the CIA later concluded.

This week, Barack Obama ordered what the White House called a “full review” of Russia’s role in the hacks and cyber-attacks by Chinese hackers in the 2008 and 2012 campaign cycles.

Trump refused to believe the CIA’s findings, saying on Sunday: “Nobody really knows, and hacking is very interesting.

“Once they hack, if you don’t catch them in the act you’re not going to catch them. They have no idea if it’s Russia or China or somebody. It could be somebody sitting in a bed some place.”

On Sunday John Bolton, a former ambassador to the UN said any foreign government trying to influence an American election should face “very grave consequences” but questioned whether the hacking of DNC and the RNC computers was “a false flag operation”.

Asked by Fox News’s Eric Shawn whether he was accusing someone in the administration or intelligence community of trying to throw something, he replied: “We just don’t know. But I believe that intelligence has been politicized in the Obama administration to a very significant degree.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ion-ridiculous


Then after the election he was briefed again (the one you are referring to) and he then said that it looked like Russia was behind some of the hacking but that he was not under investigation.

Thanks for proving the point Sparko. Trump was not given evidence of Russian interference, he was given proof, including texts and e-mails from top Russian military officials, the 13 that were just indicted by Mueller, to V. Putin himself. There is no "I don't believe it" Trump knew it, and he has been lying to the country ever since! That in itself is aiding and abetting the enemy as far as I'm concerned, and certainly worthy of impeachment by Congress. But there is of course much more evidence for conspiracy than that, though with this current cowardly majority republican congress it's highly unlikely that they'll impeach.

[Cow Poke]

...and certainly worthy of impeachment by Congress...

Actually, only Congress can decide that, and it's more political than legal.

[One Bad Pig]

Thanks for proving the point Sparko. Trump was not given evidence of Russian interference, he was given proof, including texts and e-mails from top Russian military officials, the 13 that were just indicted by Mueller, to V. Putin himself. There is no "I don't believe it" Trump knew it, and he has been lying to the country ever since! That in itself is aiding and abetting the enemy as far as I'm concerned, and certainly worthy of impeachment by Congress. But there is of course much more evidence for conspiracy than that, though with this current cowardly majority republican congress it's highly unlikely that they'll impeach.

It's a rather large leap in logic from "denying interference" to "conspiracy to interfere", Jim - a leap only a, ahem, conspiracy theorist would love.

[Tassman]

It's a rather large leap in logic from "denying interference" to "conspiracy to interfere", Jim - a leap only a, ahem, conspiracy theorist would love.

There is no "leap in logic" in Trump denying incontrovertible evidence of Russian interference and pretending that “It could be other people also. There’s a lot of people out there" ...to quote Trump. Just lies! Trump was told in no uncertain terms before his inauguration that Russian President Vladimir Putin personally ordered cyber-attacks to attempt to sway the 2016 presidential election in favour of Trump. There is nothing to deny. We know it happened...and so did Trump.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/19/p...ntv/index.html

[JimL]

It's a rather large leap in logic from "denying interference" to "conspiracy to interfere", Jim - a leap only a, ahem, conspiracy theorist would love.

It's aiding and abetting the enemy whether he conspired with them in the first place or not. Ask yourself why you are continuing to try to come up with excuses for Trumps actions OBP.

[seer]

It's aiding and abetting the enemy whether he conspired with them in the first place or not. Ask yourself why you are continuing to try to come up with excuses for Trumps actions OBP.

Jim, we are not at war with Russia, so they are not actual enemies. Second, even Obama did not believe that the Russians could effect the election or did. It did not become an issue until after Trump won, then that became the POLITICAL narrative to undermine his presidency. No wonder he does not want to feed into it. Never mind that none of you seem to have a problem with Hillary's connection to Russians.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/e...-investigation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.5a1cad301f06

[JimL]

Jim, we are not at war with Russia, so they are not actual enemies. Second, even Obama did not believe that the Russians could effect the election or did. It did not become an issue until after Trump won, then that became the POLITICAL narrative to undermine his presidency. No wonder he does not want to feed into it. Never mind that none of you seem to have a problem with Hillary's connection to Russians.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/e...-investigation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.5a1cad301f06

If they are trying to undermine our Government and the institutions thereof, including our electoral process in order to install their favored puppet, which they did, then they are our enemies and we are at war with them. Second, Obama didn't believe that the Russians could change the outcome of the election, big mistake on his part, but it was an issue prior to Trump winning. Third, the real reason Trump doesn't want to feed into it is because he knows that he was in on it and • Edited by a Moderator • is on the line now that the investigation is ongoing. Fourth, Hillary somehow conspiring with the Russians is a canard that you balloon heads came up with in order to defend your own defense of the traitor you elected as our President.

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[Mountain Man]

Jim, we are not at war with Russia, so they are not actual enemies. Second, even Obama did not believe that the Russians could effect the election or did. It did not become an issue until after Trump won, then that became the POLITICAL narrative to undermine his presidency. No wonder he does not want to feed into it. Never mind that none of you seem to have a problem with Hillary's connection to Russians.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/e...-investigation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.5a1cad301f06

This was the infamous "insurance policy". After Hillary's expected victory, they were planning to use this narrative to destroy Trump politically, professionally, and personally as a lesson to any "outsider" who might want to attempt to push his way into Washington. This tactic has not been nearly as effective against a sitting President as it would have against a private citizen because the left does not have the luxury of controlling the narrative.

[rogue06]

Jim, we are not at war with Russia, so they are not actual enemies. Second, even Obama did not believe that the Russians could effect the election or did. It did not become an issue until after Trump won, then that became the POLITICAL narrative to undermine his presidency. No wonder he does not want to feed into it. Never mind that none of you seem to have a problem with Hillary's connection to Russians.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/e...-investigation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.5a1cad301f06

Let's not forget how Obama mocked and sneered at the entire concept of Russia being a threat during the 2012 election.

[seer]

If they are trying to undermine our Government and the institutions thereof, including our electoral process in order to install their favored puppet, which they did, then they are our enemies and we are at war with them. Second, Obama didn't believe that the Russians could change the outcome of the election, big mistake on his part, but it was an issue prior to Trump winning. Third, the real reason Trump doesn't want to feed into it is because he knows that he was in on it and • Edited by a Moderator • is on the line now that the investigation is ongoing. Fourth, Hillary somehow conspiring with the Russians is a canard that you balloon heads came up with in order to defend your own defense of the traitor you elected as our President.

Are you kidding Jim, you don't think we meddle in elections in other countries? Like recently in Israel and the Ukraine. Don't be such a tool Jim...

https://spectator.org/obamas-meddlin...-six-examples/

https://www.npr.org/2016/12/22/50662...eign-elections

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/s...do-it-too.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.b06b8b20de3a

[Cow Poke]

If they are trying to undermine our Government and the institutions thereof, including our electoral process

Reasonable so far....

in order to install their favored puppet

belly flop into the lake of the goofy

which they did,

In your own little conspiracy theory laden thoughts

then they are our enemies and we are at war with them.

We've been at 'war' with them in some sense for quite some time.

Second, Obama didn't believe that the Russians could change the outcome of the election, big mistake on his part,

So, it was just a "mistake", even in light of his hot-mic booboo where he assured the Russians he'd have more flexibility after the election...

Third, the real reason Trump doesn't want to feed into it is because he knows that he was in on it and his *** is on the line now that the investigation is ongoing.

It's a hot mess all around.

So, go ahead and finish up with typical JimL drivel, including insults and nonsense.

Fourth, Hillary somehow conspiring with the Russians is a canard that you balloon heads came up with in order to defend your own defense of the traitor you elected as our President.

So predictable.

[rogue06]

If they are trying to undermine our Government and the institutions thereof, including our electoral process in order to install their favored puppet, which they did...

Let's not forget that in Mueller's most recent incitement announced by Rod Rosenstein the latter stated matter-of-factly that not a single vote was changed nor was the election outcome affected by any of this. Yet the TDS squad here keeps squawking and squeaking about collusion and Putin getting Trump elected.

Moreover, FBI director Christopher Wray declared at a conference held at the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies (a think tank that US News & World Report ranks as centrist) that "[The Russians] do not tamper in our infrastructure. They try to destabilize the integrity of our system by usually backing losers and getting the losers all upset claiming something went awry, and that promotes disharmony and distrust of the election system."

And yet the TDS posters continue to regurgitate the same unsupported nonsense.