Another nail in the traitors coffin.

[One Bad Pig]

It's aiding and abetting the enemy whether he conspired with them in the first place or not. Ask yourself why you are continuing to try to come up with excuses for Trumps actions OBP.

You want me to come up with excuses for Trump levying sanctions on Russia, bombing Russia's allies when they use chemical weapons, pushing the Germans to get their energy sources from somewhere other than Russia...?

[rogue06]

You want me to come up with excuses for Trump levying sanctions on Russia, bombing Russia's allies when they use chemical weapons, pushing the Germans to get their energy sources from somewhere other than Russia...?

Not to mention sending weapons to Ukraine so they can fight the Russians, imposing stricter sanctions than those initially called for by Congress^[1] including imposing sanctions on Ramzan Kadyrov, a close Putin ally and ordering the expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats and closure of Russian consulate in Seattle in response to Russia's poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal (Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov declared that the expulsion of the total of 153 Russian diplomats by 28 countries was the result of the Trump Administration "blackmailing" other nations).








1. to be fair this has been a bit of a mixed bag in that earlier Trump expressed reluctance about enforcing some sanctions that he had signed into law.

[Mountain Man]

Yeah, but don't you guys get it? Trump was nice to Putin during a public joint press conference where it is customary for world leaders to be nice to each other! If that doesn't convince you that Trump is a Russian agent then nothing will!

[Tassman]

Yeah, but don't you guys get it? Trump was nice to Putin during a public joint press conference where it is customary for world leaders to be nice to each other! If that doesn't convince you that Trump is a Russian agent then nothing will!

Yes, we saw how "nice Trump was to the US's traditional allies. Throughout his trip, he seemed determined to cause trouble for NATO and the E.U. He also meddled, with what seemed like malign intent, in the domestic politics of individual countries such as the UK.

But he IS very nice to Putin, that's for sure. Why is that?

[Starlight]

But he IS very nice to Putin, that's for sure. Why is that?

Maybe, like his supporters, he just sees reality differently to everyone else...

[Charles]

Yeah, but don't you guys get it? Trump was nice to Putin during a public joint press conference where it is customary for world leaders to be nice to each other! If that doesn't convince you that Trump is a Russian agent then nothing will!

So you missed the difference between being nice and humiliating yourself and your country? Or would seeing the difference force you to see something you would rather not see?

[JimL]

Are you kidding Jim, you don't think we meddle in elections in other countries? Like recently in Israel and the Ukraine. Don't be such a tool Jim...

https://spectator.org/obamas-meddlin...-six-examples/

https://www.npr.org/2016/12/22/50662...eign-elections

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/s...do-it-too.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.b06b8b20de3a

That isn't even the point seer. That's a ridiculous retort. That's like saying that it's okay if our enemies attack us and that traitors from within aid them, and that we should just ignore it becuase we've attacked them before as well. I understand that's one of the right wing medias, i.e. the propagandists talking points, but it's just dumb.

[JimL]

You want me to come up with excuses for Trump levying sanctions on Russia, bombing Russia's allies when they use chemical weapons, pushing the Germans to get their energy sources from somewhere other than Russia...?

Trump didn't levy sanctions against Russia until and unless he was forced to do so by Congress. Yeah, he had to be forced into it. Publicly admonishing Germany and publicly threatening NATO, including the newest member thereof, Montenegro, was music to the ears of Putin. And Btw, you do realize that Trumps treasonous behavior can't be totally transparent, he has to at least try to look like has U.S. interests at heart, even in the face of his puppeteer's pressure.

[seer]

That isn't even the point seer. That's a ridiculous retort. That's like saying that it's okay if our enemies attack us and that traitors from within aid them, and that we should just ignore it becuase we've attacked them before as well. I understand that's one of the right wing medias, i.e. the propagandists talking points, but it's just dumb.

No Jim, it is not dumb. It is normal activity - we do it they do it. And Clinton was up to her neck in Russian money. You have a double standard James.

[Mountain Man]

But he IS very nice to Putin, that's for sure. Why is that?

For same reason that every US president since at least Reagan has has been "very nice" to the president of Russia: It's good for the world when the US and Russia have peaceful relations.

I can't believe you're so ignorant that this has to be explained to you.

[Sparko]

Thanks for proving the point Sparko. Trump was not given evidence of Russian interference, he was given proof, including texts and e-mails from top Russian military officials, the 13 that were just indicted by Mueller, to V. Putin himself. There is no "I don't believe it" Trump knew it, and he has been lying to the country ever since! That in itself is aiding and abetting the enemy as far as I'm concerned, and certainly worthy of impeachment by Congress. But there is of course much more evidence for conspiracy than that, though with this current cowardly majority republican congress it's highly unlikely that they'll impeach.

So I proved your point by proving you were wrong? Okaaaay...

[One Bad Pig]

Trump didn't levy sanctions against Russia until and unless he was forced to do so by Congress. Yeah, he had to be forced into it.

Yeah, that's the ticket.... sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that was the case.

Publicly admonishing Germany and publicly threatening NATO, including the newest member thereof, Montenegro, was music to the ears of Putin.

You're doing that mindreading thing again.

And Btw, you do realize that Trumps treasonous behavior can't be totally transparent, he has to at least try to look like has U.S. interests at heart, even in the face of his puppeteer's pressure.

Spoken like a true conspiracy theorist, Jim. Even stuff that LOOKS innocuous HAS to somehow be proof of the opposite.

[Sparko]

Trump... Putrm... coincidence? I think not!

[JimL]

It's a rather large leap in logic from "denying interference" to "conspiracy to interfere", Jim - a leap only a, ahem, conspiracy theorist would love.

Well he has done far more than just deny interference, but for a president to use his platform to undermine U.S intel and deny interference when he knows with absolute certainty that there was interference, is obstruction. But, then you have to ask yourself, why is he doing it?

[JimL]

Yeah, that's the ticket.... sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that was the case.

Well, since your not paying attention, I guess you'll have it up if you're interested. Not!

You're doing that mindreading thing again.

No, just using my head. You should try it OBP, anyone can do it.

Spoken like a true conspiracy theorist, Jim. Even stuff that LOOKS innocuous HAS to somehow be proof of the opposite.

No, only when you take into account all the other obvious actions of Trumps treasonous ways. But you'll come around eventually.