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San Francisco Needs an Immediate Independent Audit

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  • #46
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    Yeah not wanting to create a church tax. But the government could involve local churches to help the needy and donate some of the already collected taxes they spend on welfare on that instead.
    Eh, not presently - the Court has to straighten out a lot of constitutional mess first.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      Well I certainly think that more law enforcement would go a long way in San Francisco. Don't you?
      That was not what you seemed to argue, Seer - you're post seemed to be saying that if you just arrest everyone, the problem goes away. Not having a job and not being able to afford a place to live - neither of those are crimes nor should they be. Anti-vagrancy laws alone only shuffle the problem around - there were homeless, they just got shipped elsewhere so you didn't have to see them.

      Law enforcement is one of the tools that do need application, yes - but San Fran's existing laws would literally make that impossible anyway.

      But at $37,000 per person, there's no way that they should be on the streets - heck, you could literally move them to a lower CoL area and pay for more than two year's rent. Add a third and just outright buy a house.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
        I find it very hard to justify spending money if we can't have at least occasional oversight. It can be done without it being inefficient. Companies do it all the time, hiring other companies who specialise in doing investigations like that.

        And Churches need that. The last thing we need is the money going to some insane, hell-bound, Creflo Dollar type "Christian" who's using the money to build a bigger house for himself and on a jet plane.
        I agree. I think the churches should have to report where the money was being used. Most churches I know actually do have such oversight. The charity side of my church runs a pantry where people can apply for help. They are vetted to see if they are really in need and are then offered what they need: food, clothes, counseling, skill training, etc. The church also has a annual reports on how the money was spent and where.

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