Michael Cohen Secretly Taped Trump

[Tassman]

LBJ was fond of bragging that he had more women by accident than JFK did on purpose. One of his biographies (IIRC, The Years of Lyndon Johnson) related how, while Senate Majority Leader, women staffers were warned never to get on an elevator with him in that he'd stop it and start groping them usually lifting their skirt and sticking his hand in their panties. Jan Jarboe Russell, who interviewed Lady Bird Johnson for a biography (Lady Bird: A Biography of Mrs. Johnson) said that "What would be sexual harassment today was part of the everyday atmosphere of Johnson's office."

More Rogue "Whataboutism".

Bill Clinton’s extramarital affair led to his impeachment, yet Trump seems immune, despite allegations of sexual misconduct made by at least 20 women...not to mention Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal and the legally dubious hush money. Why is this? Why such blatant double standards from the ‘family values’ party?

[NorrinRadd]

More Rogue "Whataboutism".

Bill Clinton’s extramarital affair led to his impeachment, yet Trump seems immune, despite allegations of sexual misconduct made by at least 20 women...not to mention Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal and the legally dubious hush money. Why is this? Why such blatant double standards from the ‘family values’ party?

No, Bent Willy's abuse of his position of power vis-a-vis a young intern *while in office* led to his impeachment.

[Charles]

Nobody is excusing Trump's infidelity. I only said that what he did wasn't illegal.

You may mot be excusing him, but you continue to support him and you are more interrested in pointing to the legal than the moral side of things because you believe that puts Trump in better light. And generally the whataboutism largely supported by Christians on this site indicates that you are not exactly focused on promoting higher moral standards but rather use every mean to change focus or even promote lower standards. It is completely obvious. The salt of the earth...

[Tassman]

No, Bent Willy's abuse of his position of power vis-a-vis a young intern *while in office* led to his impeachment.

I see. So allegations of sexual misconduct made by at least 20 women plus Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal, and LYING about it "whilst in office" is not worthy of impeachment by the ''family values party in your view? IOW: Trump's history of sexual aggression and compulsive lying does not set a poor tone for the leader of the free world as far as you are concerned?

[Starlight]

I see. So allegations of sexual misconduct made by at least 20 women plus Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal, and LYING about it "whilst in office" is not worthy of impeachment by the 'family values' party in your view?

As we've discussed before, the idea that Republicans are a party of "family values" or "supporting the troops" or "fiscal responsibility" are just jokes.

They're the party of corruption, war, racism, homophobia, and trying to ban abortion.

[shunyadragon]

No where. What Trump did wasn't illegal.

Cohen, on the other hand, just showed what a scumbag he really is, although now he's claiming the recordings are protected by attorney-client privileges.

https://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ent-privilege/

What Cohen did under Mew York law was not illegal. New York law allows recording with only the consent of one party.

[Mountain Man]

What Cohen did under Mew York law was not illegal. New York law allows recording with only the consent of one party.

I know. But Cohen is still a scumbag for secretly recording his clients.

[Mountain Man]

You may mot be excusing him, but you continue to support him and you are more interrested in pointing to the legal than the moral side of things because you believe that puts Trump in better light. And generally the whataboutism largely supported by Christians on this site indicates that you are not exactly focused on promoting higher moral standards but rather use every mean to change focus or even promote lower standards. It is completely obvious. The salt of the earth...

Just so you know, Chuck, I don't bother reading your posts when it's obvious in the first sentence that you're just launching into another self-righteous lecture. Either write something with substance, or don't waste your time.

[Charles]

Just so you know, Chuck, I don't bother reading your posts when it's obvious in the first sentence that you're just launching into another self-righteous lecture. Either write something with substance, or don't waste your time.

So by an ad hominem you try to avoid the issue. And then you ask for substance... Well...

[RumTumTugger]

It also implies that Republican supporters consider the acceptable standard of behavior for their President to be the worst deeds of every past president combined.

No Starlight it is pointing out that the Democrats refuse to hold themselves to the sames standard they are holding the Republicans to. Just like the Hypocrites they are.

[Charles]

No Starlight it is pointing out that the Democrats refuse to hold themselves to the sames standard they are holding the Republicans to. Just like the Hypocrites they are.

Quite many who are discussing in here are not even involved in the Democrat vs. Republican perspective some of you seem to have. And even if the Democrats were hypocrites then what exactly does that do to change what is morally right or wrong? Are you off the hock if you can point to others being hypocrites, or are moral standards the same no matter what others are doing? By following the discussion in here I get the impression that quite many Christians, in all practical matters, support relativistic ethics. That is despite the fact that they hold the opposite position as long as we discuss ethics on a theoretical level.

[Charles]

I know. But Cohen is still a scumbag for secretly recording his clients.

While the guy who had sex with a playboy model while being married to another woman is a......?

[Catholicity]

I am concerned as someone who was once bought and sold by the idea of "family values" That the republican party did put Bill Clinton on Trial for something very similar. And yet on the platform of family values the Republicans voted Donald Trump in, who has shown himself to have no family value at all. He has proven himself to be worthless as a person, and sells out to ideals which I really want to have no party in as a Christian. I can't stomach it at all. The economy would be doing just fine under someone else who was of better moral character and knew better how to run this country.

[Mountain Man]

So by an ad hominem you try to avoid the issue. And then you ask for substance... Well...

I appreciate the irony. I'll give you an "amen" if you can explain why your post is hypocritical.

[Mountain Man]

I am concerned as someone who was once bought and sold by the idea of "family values" That the republican party did put Bill Clinton on Trial for something very similar. And yet on the platform of family values the Republicans voted Donald Trump in, who has shown himself to have no family value at all. He has proven himself to be worthless as a person, and sells out to ideals which I really want to have no party in as a Christian. I can't stomach it at all. The economy would be doing just fine under someone else who was of better moral character and knew better how to run this country.

There is a big difference between what Bill Clinton did and what Trump did. This is not to excuse Trump, but let's at least talk apples versus apples.