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  • #16
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    There is beginning to be some push back against Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and other Democrats like her from what would be considered the establishment wing of the party. In some ways it's like what happened on the right regarding the Tea Party and traditional Republicans. Of course a case could be made that in this instance the differences are primarily whether they should be open about their beliefs or keep them under wraps.
    That's why I was asking, because the younter Dems are trying to push the party way left.

    There Is a Revolution on the Left. Democrats Are Bracing.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      Expound on that, please - cause it sounds like the party is having a hard time deciding whether they're going full-out socialist, or....
      It depends upon your definition of socialism. Clinton and Wasserman Schultz couldn't excite voters with pro-millionaire, pro-corporate economic policy and moderate social policy. The question is how many stooges still remain among DNC leadership.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
        Hopefully this slogan, as bland as it may be, signals a shift among Democratic leaders to lean more into liberal policies rather than the neoliberalism that cost them the election. I can't help but suspect their appeal to liberals is only lip service, but time will tell.
        You think the Democrats took a shellacking because they weren't liberal enough? I can only hope that's what they're thinking, because if they run far enough left, they'll run straight off the ballot!
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
          "For the People" is painfully generic. Whatever one may have thought of the policies underlining them, "Yes, We Can!" and "Make America Great Again" were catchy slogans that stuck in your head. And while "Yes, We Can" was a bit generic, it still had at least some level of specificity, whereas "For the People" doesn't. Granted, I'm not sure how much slogans matter--did anyone actually change their votes based on them?--but "For the People" is just weak.

          Something like "Building Bridges, Not Walls" (a proposed slogan for the Libertarian Party 2018 Convention, though they went with something else) would've been a lot better.
          "For the People" is exactly the kind of vacuous sloganeering that will appeal to the empty-headed demographic who voted for Sanders and Hillary.
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Expound on that, please - cause it sounds like the party is having a hard time deciding whether they're going full-out socialist, or....
            The Dems used to be the party of the New Deal and social programs, from FDR through to Carter.

            But after Reagan, the Dem strategists led by Clinton decided that those views were now unacceptably far left to Americans and that the way to win was "triangulate" (move to the right). What followed was 30-40 years of "neo-liberalism" where the Dems (and other left-wing parties around the world, e.g. Labour in the UK and here in NZ) broadly agreed with the right-wing on economic policy (and often even on many social policies ("tough on crime", "war on drugs" etc)). Those policies were: Lower taxes, lower government spending, cutting social programs, de-unionisation, globalization, deregulation, running deficits, privatization etc. For a lot of the neo-liberal period almost the only major differences between the parties were a few "moral issues" that society would endlessly bicker about.

            There's now enough data from the US and around the world to judge those neo-liberal economic policies on the whole as a failure. Wages have stagnated, inequality has multiplied, the debt has skyrocketed. The previous 30-40 year era of "New Deal" / "tax and spend" policies worked better. The 2008 financial crisis has especially been a catalyst for people wanting to rethink the neo-liberal system and move back to the New Deal era. So "progressives" in the present day or "democratic socialists" as they're sometimes called in the US are now pretty actively pushing the Democratic party to abandon neo-liberalism and revert to being New Dealers. Progressive activists sometimes use the terms "new New Deal" or "green New Deal". And it's pretty close to 50-50 within the Democratic party now - we saw it in the 2016 primaries where Hillary Clinton was the flagship of her husband's neo-liberalism while Bernie Sanders was pushing for a return to the New Deal. If it was re-run today, Bernie would win.

            The same pattern has played out in the UK, with Jeremy Corbyn now leading a Labour party there that has been purged of its neo-liberals and is back to following its historical roots as an actual left wing party.
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              You think the Democrats took a shellacking because they weren't liberal enough?
              Yes. 1000000% yes. They weren't left-wing on economic / "tax and spend" issues enough.
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                You think the Democrats took a shellacking because they weren't liberal enough? I can only hope that's what they're thinking, because if they run far enough left, they'll run straight off the ballot!
                Moderate candidates don't get people to the polls. Nobody really wanted Clinton to win so much as they wanted a Democrat in office. Sander's supporters were active and involved because he championed issues people care about and was an "outsider". It's not much different from the appeal of Trump versus the appeal of Jeb Bush.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  The Dems used to be the party of the New Deal and social programs, from FDR through to Carter.
                  They used to be the "God and Country" Party - which was why my Dad was a supposed dyed-iin-the-wool Democrat - til they no longer were.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    They used to be the "God and Country" Party - which was why my Dad was a supposed dyed-iin-the-wool Democrat
                    Well it could be argued they still largely are. Democratic politicians and their voters are largely Christian, and they're the party that is trying to make America great again and being patriotic in the face of the current Republican treason-fest.


                    P.S. For anyone who can cope with watching a good 45 minute talk by a university professor, I highly recommend this talk by Mark Blyth which explains the New Deal and Neo-liberal eras in US politics.
                    Last edited by Starlight; 07-23-2018, 10:21 PM.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      Well it could be argued they still largely are. Democratic politicians and their voters are largely Christian, and they're the party that is trying to make America great again and being patriotic in the face of the current Republican treason-fest.
                      I think you've tried this "Democrats are Christians" thing before. No doubt some are. The party, however, is pretty much Godless.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        I think you've tried this "Democrats are Christians" thing before. No doubt some are. The party, however, is pretty much Godless.
                        I think we've previously established that you have the utterly delusional belief that the Republicans are the "Christian" party and that the Democrats aren't.

                        You also think they're the pro-family party.

                        You probably also think they support the troops.
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by seer View Post
                          Yes comrade, and you will like the new slogan!
                          You republicans elected your comrade, and who'd a guessed it, he invited his comrade to the White House in the Fall.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            I think we've previously established that you have the utterly delusional belief that the Republicans are the "Christian" party and that the Democrats aren't.
                            Actually, I never made that claim. It was probably simply another straw man building party you threw.

                            ETA: I'm not a Republican.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              I think you've tried this "Democrats are Christians" thing before. No doubt some are. The party, however, is pretty much Godless.
                              You're exposing your idiocy again, CP.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by JimL View Post
                                You're exposing your idiocy again, CP.
                                Whatever you say, oh wise one.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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