Trump bans reporter for 'asking the wrong questions'

[oxmixmudd]

That is ridiculous. Pushing back against supporting Trump's continuous foray into lies and immoral conduct is NOT demanding a 'Unicorn' candidate. Do you realize that you just implied? Really? There are miles and miles of grey moral ground between Trump and your 'Unicorn candidate'.

C'mon pixie - you are better than that.

Jim

[oxmixmudd]

If anything, liberals should be applauding the fact that Trump appears to have significantly dialed back the totalitarian tendencies of his predecessor.

That is also ridiculous. The best you could hope for is equivalence.

[NorrinRadd]

I don't think they ever had those traits. We are talking about a section of the US (Southern religious conservatives) who have been on the wrong side of literally every moral issue in history. They fought a war to continue having slaves. They formed the KKK to lynch black people. They continued having segregation until absolutely forced to stop. They've consistently opposed women's rights with their insistence on the man as the head of the household, anti-abortion stance, have viewed "marital rape" as an oxymoron, opposed the idea of women in leadership, and not wanted to let women divorce their husbands. They oppose gay rights, and defend parents who throw their kids out of home onto the street for being gay, and generally defend their rights to mistreat their children in any way they fancy ("bring them up as they see fit"). And don't even get me started when it comes to their foreign policy desires to wage war on everyone and their domestic policy desires to cut education and healthcare and welfare spending.

No other group of people I can think of in the history of the Western world has been so morally evil for such a long length of time - 250+ years of an entire group being absolutely on the wrong side of every single moral issue. They didn't "become monsters" under Obama. This is a group who always were monsters. When they got their hero Reagan into office he openly supported terrorists in Nicaragua against the democratically elected government there, and then when the Democrats finally blocked his funding, he found a way to fund the terrorism by treasonously selling weapons to America's enemy Iran. And when they got the oh-so-godly George Bush into office, they literally instituted a torture program which tortured a lot of people many of whom were innocent, and one innocent person they tortured to death. Obviously, given their long history of slavery, apartheid, racism etc they could hardly cope with a black man being president. And now they rally around sexual-assulter porn-star-paying charity-money-stealing multiple-bankrupcies Russian-money-laudering staggering-stupid Trump. What else would you expect from them?

We the Righteous Remnant are no longer sequestered in our ghetto in the SE. I and my fellow Christian conservatives in PA put Trump over the top in 2016.

[NorrinRadd]

MM, I explained the specific comment that Trump is much worse that Obama or Hillary was in a much broader context that this specific event. I also said you should have been able to figure that out.

However, on the issue of the press and comparisons of Trump to others, while I recognize that the trend both with Clinton and Obama was to try to hit back at Fox in specific, And I recognize that it was WRONG of them to do so, I do see something worse in the broad term with Trump. And that is a concerted attack on the Truth, with a good bit of it aimed at discrediting ALL media sources except for Fox. It began with the attempt to pretend Trumps inauguration crowd was larger than Obama's, which was first juvenile and second simply false. They claimed to have 'their own facts' - which in this case was simply a made up story that made Trump happy that day. There is something fundamentally wrong with trying to pretend the Truth is not the Truth and then convince everybody else that follows you the Truth is not the Truth that goes way beyond anything I've seen in any president before Trump.

That first act of redefining truth has set the stage for all that has followed. The fact Trump and his administration can tell such a bald faced lie and stick to it has defined his presidency as the presidency of lies and half-truths. And he will forever be seen that way, and no legitimate source of news, however conservative or liberal, will ever accept anything that is said by this president at face value. And neither will I. He has shown himself to be the Liar in Chief. And he and his staff have never recanted or walked back from that position.

And it continues. HE lied about payoffs for affairs. And it appears he lied about knowledge of the Trump tower meeting. Every day he lies.

And it boggles the mind you can't grasp how fundamentally wrong that is, and how it goes beyond what has been done before in terms of trying to spin stories in the Presidents favor. Or as to just how low the character of the President can go.

Back when Clinton was about to be impeached, everybody on the conservative side, especially the evangelicals, kept saying "See - CHARACTER MATTERS". Now that Trump is around everybody that is Conservative side, including o so many evagelicals, says "CHARACTER DOESN'T MATTER". It is hypocritical and wrong and has no place in the Christian community.

Jim

For my part, I was younger, dumber, and more stupidly idealistic then. I've matured.

I've also changed in that I would no longer so readily support the Bush-era fascism of the Patriot Act and related things.

[NorrinRadd]

I want to hear more anguished wails of "whataboutism," so...

From the Daily Wire.

[oxmixmudd]

Ever since you claimed that what Trump did to this one reporter is somehow worse than Obama's borderline criminal treatment of the media.

One final comment on this. My focus is Trump at this point in time. But I am genuinely at least as offended by Obama's actions against the press as I am Trumps. I am not concerned with Obama right now because he is NOT president. Trump is. I am not calling attention to Trump because I think Obama is good and Trump is bad. I am calling attention to Trump because I think Trump is bad. Period. Wading through this continuous demand that somehow I address every possible sin of every previous president before I can with legitimacy call attention to the problems with Trump is nothing but absolute idiocy.

If you (all of you) feel you must waste my time and your time rehashing everything you didn't like about Obama and Hillary - then understand for the most part I'm just going to ignore it. It doesn't matter. Trump is not excused if someone else did something as bad or worse 10 years ago. What matters is what Trump is doing now with his presidency. If you want to show me I'm wrong about Trump - then show me I'm wrong about Trump. Don't drag out something some other president did and say 'why didn't you 10 years ago fuss about this'. I will ignore you.

Jim

[oxmixmudd]

For my part, I was younger, dumber, and more stupidly idealistic then. I've matured.

I've also changed in that I would no longer so readily support the Bush-era fascism of the Patriot Act and related things.

Since when does maturity mean accepting the Moral depravity Trump represents?


Jim

[NorrinRadd]

Since when does maturity mean accepting the Moral depravity Trump represents?


Jim

It means I'm no longer going to make a priority of expecting a candidate to have "Christian" morals or even to profess Christianity. We do not live in a theocracy or theonomy. In Scripture, John the Baptist chastised Herod -- the (non-Davidic and therefore illegitimate) client-king of the monarchy; but I don't recall him or anyone else criticizing Pilate or Caesar, nor do I recall instructions to do anything other than "pray for" secular leaders. Granted, reproving them would have been deathly dangerous, and would not be so for us; but all this means is that there is no sure ground one way or the other for determining what Christians "should" be saying to or about Trump.

[Charles]

Wading through this continuous demand that somehow I address every possible sin of every previous president before I can with legitimacy call attention to the problems with Trump is nothing but absolute idiocy.

Quote of the day.

[Starlight]

Wading through this continuous demand that somehow I address every possible sin of every previous president before I can with legitimacy call attention to the problems with Trump is nothing but absolute idiocy.

Quote of the day.

I don't quite think he means to say that wading through it is idiocy though.

[Tassman]

We the Righteous Remnant are no longer sequestered in our ghetto in the SE. I and my fellow Christian conservatives in PA put Trump over the top in 2016.

You admit it!

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[NorrinRadd]

You admit it!

You should be ashamed of yourself.

I admit nothing and I apologize for nothing.

[oxmixmudd]

It means I'm no longer going to make a priority of expecting a candidate to have "Christian" morals or even to profess Christianity. We do not live in a theocracy or theonomy. In Scripture, John the Baptist chastised Herod -- the (non-Davidic and therefore illegitimate) client-king of the monarchy; but I don't recall him or anyone else criticizing Pilate or Caesar, nor do I recall instructions to do anything other than "pray for" secular leaders. Granted, reproving them would have been deathly dangerous, and would not be so for us; but all this means is that there is no sure ground one way or the other for determining what Christians "should" be saying to or about Trump.

Most of what you have said is reasonable. There are however certain boundaries that can't be crossed

And it does not transate into backing Trump after the electionar no matter what he does, no matter how much he lies, no matter who he hurts. Those who felt they had a rock and a hard place choice to make between Trump and Hillary should not be found defending his excess. They should not be rallying to him defending him against the press on day 1 as he lies and gets his staff to lie about the inauguration attendance. They should be letting him know in no uncertain terms that if he wants their support he'd better tell the truth and be a man worthy of the presidency, otherwise you will kick his lying tail out of there as fast as you put him in there.


Any such man as Trump elected as a vote against the other guy must know that the support he received is hugely conditional and can be lost at any moment.

That is not the message you or the majority of the evangelicals are sending trump

Jim

[Tassman]

I admit nothing and I apologize for nothing.

Ah yes, the Trump strategy: "Deny everything."

[lilpixieofterror]

That is ridiculous.

Pushing back against supporting Trump's continuous foray into lies and immoral conduct is NOT demanding a 'Unicorn' candidate. Do you realize that you just implied? Really? There are miles and miles of grey moral ground between Trump and your 'Unicorn candidate'.

C'mon pixie - you are better than that.