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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Atheism And Moral Progress
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYou are correct, that was worded poorly. What I mean to say is that the term "good" and the term "evil" have to have underlying explanations as to what is meant by the terms themselves. That which is "good" can't be defined as such simply because god says so, you would need to explain why god says so, otherwise it is arbitrary and meaningless. What I think is that you don't want to recognise that obvious fact.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYou mean you wish to hear it again for the ten thousanth time?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo Jim, you haven't - now define good and WHY it is good.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWe have all been explaining it to you seer, probably for a decade now, and what we say in general is that "good," morally speaking, are those behaviors that are in the best interests of human society, and so evil would be it's opposite. Your definition has no meaning, other than that "good" is that which god says is good.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim, that all depends on your SAY SO, and WHY is our best interests a moral good? Apart from your or our SAY SO?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo it isn't my say so seer, it is the resulting nature of the society in which we live. And again, your definition of good has no meaning other than god says so. Why is it good because god says so? Answer: Because god says so. Ridiculous!Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim you are being hypocritical - of course it is your SAY SO, or our SAY SO, there is nothing else. You are making a moral claim, that our best interests is in fact a moral good! So why is our best interests a moral good? Because we say so. Ridiculous!
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo it isn't my say so seer, it is the resulting nature of the society in which we live. And again, your definition of good has no meaning other than god says so. Why is it good because god says so? Answer: Because god says so. Ridiculous!
So what does the word "good" actually mean, other than you trying to associate it with "society" instead of "God?"
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSeer, I can't make you understand, because you really don't want to understand. So maybe, if you just tell me what "good" means to you, other than god says so, might help you understand. Can you do that?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYour explanation above is worse than what you claim ours is. Instead of defining Good as "aligning with God" you simply define good as "aligning with what is good for society" which is just self-referential since you still can't define what is "good for society" - you already said that even if everyone disagreed what is good it didn't matter.
So what does the word "good" actually mean, other than you trying to associate it with "society" instead of "God?"
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo Jim, you can not escape your double standard. The ONLY reason our bests interests is a moral good is because we SAY SO. There is no other reason or argument from your point of view. And if that is good enough for you (us) it is good enough for God. Stop being hypocritical...
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Originally posted by JimL View PostOkay, so tell me what "good" means, seer. When you and Sparko assert that good is that which comes from god, or aligns with god, what do you mean by good?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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