Trump - Making Pigs Fly

[rogue06]

I only ever saw that term being used in one interview in 2010, where he said he was worried of a danger that the economy could enter a state, where slow job growth was the new normal. Beyond that I only saw the phrase as it was quoted by conservatives.

Do you have examples other than that one interview?

He may have used the term only once like Carter did "malaise" but it came to define his economy by not just conservatives (IIRC U.S. News & World Report as well as even CNN used it). Further one of his Treasury Secretaries (Jack Lew?), while not directly using the term, characterized the economy is that manner in a speech.

[Leonhard]

He may have used the term only once like Carter did "malaise" but it came to define his economy by not just conservatives (IIRC U.S. News & World Report as well as even CNN used it). Further one of his Treasury Secretaries (Jack Lew?), while not directly using the term, characterized the economy is that manner in a speech.

Yeah but that's the medias reporting of things, and they get most things wrong. Its quite evident that he only used the term once, and he used it as a worry for what sort situation the world was in, using it specifically for slow job growth.

Can you at least agree that's a bit different than "tried desperately to convince us that a weak economy and high unemployment was 'the new normal'"

That's basically all I was countering.

That the media irresponsibly ran with it is the media seeking clickbait.

[Mountain Man]

Yeah but that's the medias reporting of things, and they get most things wrong. Its quite evident that he only used the term once, and he used it as a worry for what sort situation the world was in, using it specifically for slow job growth.

Can you at least agree that's a bit different than "tried desperately to convince us that a weak economy and high unemployment was 'the new normal'"

That's basically all I was countering.

That the media irresponsibly ran with it is the media seeking clickbait.

Fair enough, but it wasn't just the media. You had Democrats like Nutsy Pelosi with her "funemployment" and "welfare checks are good for the economy" nonsense, and nobody on the left pushed back. They just accepted it and spent 8-years grousing about the terrible Bush economy, seemingly oblivious to the fact that the Obama economy wasn't much better. And now that the Trump economy is roaring along like a finely tuned sports car, the left is either trying to talk it down, or they're trying to give all the credit to Obama.

[rogue06]

Fair enough, but it wasn't just the media. You had Democrats like Nutsy Pelosi with her "funemployment" and "welfare checks are good for the economy" nonsense, and nobody on the left pushed back. They just accepted it and spent 8-years grousing about the terrible Bush economy, seemingly oblivious to the fact that the Obama economy wasn't much better. And now that the Trump economy is roaring along like a finely tuned sports car, the left is either trying to talk it down, or they're trying to give all the credit to Obama.

It wasn't just Pelosi. There were a number of prominent Democrat politicians extolling how great unemployment checks were for the economy. Chuck Schumer was in that chorus as well saying they were "the best stimulus there is." While they are better than not having unemployment insurance the best thing for the economy is people getting jobs.

[firstfloor]

[Starlight]

To be honest Obama was handed a mess, not that he did much with pro-business policies to get us out.

As we've previously discussed, Obama did heaps and heaps of economic policies in response to the mess he was handed, and he turned around the crisis within his first year in office.

Just because you personally don't call those policies "pro-business" ones just shows you have zero clue about economic policy and wouldn't know what a pro-business policy was if you ran into a thousand of them. Everyone else who actually knows anything about economics thinks Obama did plenty of actual pro-business policies to get America out of the crisis. I don't like Obama, but at least accuse him of the bad things he actually did (like lots of wars, not jailing bankers & torturers etc) rather than making up fake complaints about him.

[seer]

As we've previously discussed, Obama did heaps and heaps of economic policies in response to the mess he was handed, and he turned around the crisis within his first year in office.

Just because you personally don't call those policies "pro-business" ones just shows you have zero clue about economic policy and wouldn't know what a pro-business policy was if you ran into a thousand of them. Everyone else who actually knows anything about economics thinks Obama did plenty of actual pro-business policies to get America out of the crisis. I don't like Obama, but at least accuse him of the bad things he actually did (like lots of wars, not jailing bankers & torturers etc) rather than making up fake complaints about him.

BS, I did mention stimulus package, banking regulation just stopped the bleeding, healthcare reform did nothing to help business, it only raised costs for for most off the middle class.

[Sparko]

As we've previously discussed, Obama did heaps and heaps of economic policies in response to the mess he was handed, and he turned around the crisis within his first year in office.

Just because you personally don't call those policies "pro-business" ones just shows you have zero clue about economic policy and wouldn't know what a pro-business policy was if you ran into a thousand of them. Everyone else who actually knows anything about economics thinks Obama did plenty of actual pro-business policies to get America out of the crisis. I don't like Obama, but at least accuse him of the bad things he actually did (like lots of wars, not jailing bankers & torturers etc) rather than making up fake complaints about him.

You know, I have to give Obama props for some of the things he did to get us out of the housing crisis. He did make it easier for me to buy my house in 2008.

But he (and Bush) let the people responsible for the crisis go scot-free.

[Catholicity]

There are still problems with the economy though. Wages suck. There are jobs but not good jobs. Housing is VERY costly. Hard work reaps little reward. Where I live the average cost of a three bedroom house in rent is a little over a thousand a month. There is cheaper to rent, but that means living far away in the country where no one can get to you in an emergency, or in a drug infested neighborhood. You can make it, it's just difficult.

[One Bad Pig]

There are still problems with the economy though. Wages suck. There are jobs but not good jobs. Housing is VERY costly. Hard work reaps little reward. Where I live the average cost of a three bedroom house in rent is a little over a thousand a month. There is cheaper to rent, but that means living far away in the country where no one can get to you in an emergency, or in a drug infested neighborhood. You can make it, it's just difficult.

Where I live the average rental cost for a 1-bedroom apartment is $1,000/month. In DC proper, the cost is significantly higher than that.

[rogue06]

There are still problems with the economy though. Wages suck. There are jobs but not good jobs. Housing is VERY costly. Hard work reaps little reward. Where I live the average cost of a three bedroom house in rent is a little over a thousand a month. There is cheaper to rent, but that means living far away in the country where no one can get to you in an emergency, or in a drug infested neighborhood. You can make it, it's just difficult.

Historically wages have been the last thing to improve as the economy improves. But now with the fact that there are more jobs available (both skilled and unskilled) than applicants this will begin to force competition. Another sign of this: noting how "Employers say they are abandoning preferences for college degrees and specific skill sets to speed-up hiring and broaden the pool of job candidates."

[Sparko]

There are still problems with the economy though. Wages suck. There are jobs but not good jobs. Housing is VERY costly. Hard work reaps little reward. Where I live the average cost of a three bedroom house in rent is a little over a thousand a month. There is cheaper to rent, but that means living far away in the country where no one can get to you in an emergency, or in a drug infested neighborhood. You can make it, it's just difficult.

$1000/month to rent a 3-bedroom house is pretty reasonable considering most mortgages for a house that size are about $1000/month or more.

[JimL]

BS, I did mention stimulus package, banking regulation just stopped the bleeding, healthcare reform did nothing to help business, it only raised costs for for most off the middle class.

Why are you so interested in helping business when business is doing better than ever and peoples wages continue to remain stagnant? In the last 18 months of the Obama administration the economic growth, the jobs created and the rise in wages all surpass what has happened in Trumps first 18 months and yet you Trumpsters are now raving about the great economy under Trump. Sheesh!

[One Bad Pig]

Why are you so interested in helping business when business is doing better than ever and peoples wages continue to remain stagnant? In the last 18 months of the Obama administration the economic growth, the jobs created and the rise in wages all surpass what has happened in Trumps first 18 months and yet you Trumpsters are now raving about the great economy under Trump. Sheesh!

Got support for that, or are you just regurgitating what MSNBC told you?

[seer]

Why are you so interested in helping business when business is doing better than ever and peoples wages continue to remain stagnant? In the last 18 months of the Obama administration the economic growth, the jobs created and the rise in wages all surpass what has happened in Trumps first 18 months and yet you Trumpsters are now raving about the great economy under Trump. Sheesh!

Jim you are so behind!

Annual US worker pay gains rose at fastest pace since 2008 U.S. workers saw their annual wages and benefits rise in the second quarter at the fastest pace in nearly a decade, a sign that the low unemployment rate is forcing employers to raise pay to attract and keep workers.

http://www.startribune.com/pay-gains...ter/489623991/