Mike Pence on how presidents should behave

[Cow Poke]

Since the particular case we are discussing is not a matter of facts but opinion it would be a bit more interesting if you would discuss opinions. I am sure that what you have got is an opinion too.

I have. Try reading the thread.

[Charles]

I have. Try reading the thread.

I did. It was just that it doesn't help you much or make us any the wiser that you just conclude that what I have got is an opinion. You are stating the obvious instead of having a discussion.

[Cow Poke]

I did. It was just that it doesn't help you much or make us any the wiser that you just conclude that what I have got is an opinion. You are stating the obvious instead of having a discussion.

Cool. Anything else?

[Mountain Man]

"Leaders affect the lives of families far beyond their own 'private life'. In the Bible story of Esther we are told of a king who was charged to put right his own household because there would be 'no end of disrespect and discord' among the families of the kingdom if he failed to do so. In a day when reckless extramarital sexual activity is manifesting itself in our staggering rates of illegitimacy and divorce, now more than ever, America needs to be able to look to her First Family as role models of all that we have been and can be again." Mike Pence

As you may have guessed this was written before Trump became the president.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/06/p...mns/index.html

I agree with Pence, but I suspect he's also practical. If I made it my goal to only work with saints then I would have been unemployed decades ago. Even working for a church for 11-years didn't shield me from liars and hypocrites.

[Mountain Man]

Rightly so. If you can't be alone in a room with a woman besides your wife, your morals and marriage are dangling by a thread.

Ever hear of living above reproach and avoiding even the appearance of evil?

[Charles]

I agree with Pence, but I suspect he's also practical. If I made it my goal to only work with saints then I would have been unemployed decades ago. Even working for a church for 11-years didn't shield me from liars and hypocrites.

Ok. So let's see if I got you correct. You agree with Pence when he said (among other things):

In a day when reckless extramarital sexual activity is manifesting itself in our staggering rates of illegitimacy and divorce, now more than ever, America needs to be able to look to her First Family as role models of all that we have been and can be again.

Then you suspect he is also what you call “practical”. Let’s take a look into what seems to be implied by being practical in this context:

Supporting a man who has been married three times and had relations to porn stars while being married as the role model of all that we have been and can be again?

Supporting a man who said: "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p….. You can do anything."

Supporting a man who said: “If Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her”

Do you still think this is only being “pracitical”. If you do could you please explain what the difference between a hypocrite and a practical man is? I mean, if it is so obvious that practically speaking there is nothing to it, then why would Pence say those words back then? Are they not supposed to mean anything? Nothing at all? Just an empty ideal with no practical implications?

[Cow Poke]

Ever hear of living above reproach and avoiding even the appearance of evil?

So, you're calling Pence a hateful scaredycat bigot who hates women. Yeah, that's what you're doing, MM!

[Cow Poke]

Ok. So letÂs see if I got you correct. You agree with Pence when he said (among other things):



Then you suspect he is also what you call “practical”. Let’s take a look into what seems to be implied by being practical in this context:

Supporting a man who has been married three times and had relations to porn stars while being married as the role model of all that we have been and can be again?

Supporting a man who said: "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p….. You can do anything."

Supporting a man who said: “If Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her”

Do you still think this is only being “pracitical”. If you do could you please explain what the difference between a hypocrite and a practical man is? I mean, if it is so obvious that practically speaking there is nothing to it, then why would Pence say those words back then? Are they not supposed to mean anything? Nothing at all? Just an empty ideal with no practical implications?

It could well be - and it seems totally reasonable - that Pence is biding his time to step into the Presidency as a much better answer than Trump.

A) Hillary would still not be POTUS
2) POTUS would not be Hillary's

[KingsGambit]

It could well be - and it seems totally reasonable - that Pence is biding his time to step into the Presidency as a much better answer than Trump.

A) Hillary would still not be POTUS
2) POTUS would not be Hillary's

Do you mean stepping in in the event that Trump is, well, unable to complete his term, or running for election six years from now? (Six because Pence is obviously not going to run in the primary this time )

I have a hard time seeing anybody's vice president successfully running as a distinct alternative to that person.

[Mountain Man]

Ok. So let's see if I got you correct. You agree with Pence when he said (among other things):



Then you suspect he is also what you call “practical”. Let’s take a look into what seems to be implied by being practical in this context:

Supporting a man who has been married three times and had relations to porn stars while being married as the role model of all that we have been and can be again?

Supporting a man who said: "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p….. You can do anything."

Supporting a man who said: “If Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her”

Do you still think this is only being “pracitical”. If you do could you please explain what the difference between a hypocrite and a practical man is? I mean, if it is so obvious that practically speaking there is nothing to it, then why would Pence say those words back then? Are they not supposed to mean anything? Nothing at all? Just an empty ideal with no practical implications?

Show me where Pence has explicitly supported Trump's immorality. Working with or for someone does not imply that you support everything they do and say. Case in point, many of my coworkers swear, drink, and smoke and hit on women when they're out on the road, even some of the attached and married guys. I don't, and I hope that my example can be a positive influence in their lives and a reflection of Christ. I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Pence operates with the same attitude.

[Charles]

Show me where Pence has explicitly supported Trump's immorality. Working with or for someone does not imply that you support everything they do and say. Case in point, many of my coworkers swear, drink, and smoke and hit on women when they're out on the road, even some of the attached and married guys. I don't, and I hope that my example can be a positive influence in their lives and a reflection of Christ. I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Pence operates with the same attitude.

It appears you missed the point. Pence said we need a president who could be a role model:

In a day when reckless extramarital sexual activity is manifesting itself in our staggering rates of illegitimacy and divorce, now more than ever, America needs to be able to look to her First Family as role models of all that we have been and can be again.

After having said that somehow he still finds that the thrice married porn star obsessed Trump is fit to be president. He sees no stop sign, it appears. So the words meant nothing at all in practical matters, am I right? He sat on the high horse but in the real world, in practical matters, it did not mean anything at all, right? And did he explicitly say a man like Trump was not fit to be the role model of all we have been and can be again? Nope. I have never said he explicitly supported Trumps immorality. But we all know he did not see it as a stop sign. The words meant nothing at all when they were to be directed against an administration of which he was a part, it seems. It makes a good case for him to provide moral guidance some seem to think. They should look for something more lasting to base their principles on because what they have got now will eventually fall apart.

[Cow Poke]

Do you mean stepping in in the event that Trump is, well, unable to complete his term, or running for election six years from now? (Six because Pence is obviously not going to run in the primary this time )

Yes

I have a hard time seeing anybody's vice president successfully running as a distinct alternative to that person.

Agreed

[Cow Poke]

It appears you missed the point. Pence said we need a president who could be a role model:

He's correct

After having said that somehow he still finds that the thrice married porn star obsessed Trump is fit to be president. He sees no stop sign, it appears. So the words meant nothing at all in practical matters, am I right.

You are not.

He sat on the high horse but in the real world, in practical matters, it did not mean anything at all, right?

He never endorsed Trump's morality as Pastor-in-Chief.

And did he explicitly say a man like Trump was not fit to be the role model of all we have been and can be again? Nope. I have never said he explicitly supported Trumps immorality. But we all know he did not see it as a stop sign.

So, in your world, Pence can't hold himself to a high standard, and stand patiently in line should the opportunity to be that leader present itself?

The words meant nothing at all when they were to be directed against an administration of which he was a part, it seems.

The words are something to which Pence himself is adhering. They still mean quite a bit to him, I'm sure.

It makes a good case for him to provide moral guidance some seem to think. They should look for something more lasting to base their principles on because what they have got now will eventually fall apart.

Trump is Pence's boss... Pence is patiently biding his time.

[Charles]

While we can all share our different opinions why not give the word to Trump himself:

"You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of a.."

[Charles]

So, in your world, Pence can't hold himself to a high standard, and stand patiently in line should the opportunity to be that leader present itself?

Pence did not write about himself but the American president. He wrote about the role model the American president should be. He now supports someone who by no means can serve as that role model. If he is doing this in order to pave the way for his own presidency he is basically breaking with his ideals about what the president should be in order to pave the way for himself. And you seem to still think he can be a role model after having done that? It is beyond me. Perhaps he listened a bit too much to trump:

"The point is, you can never be too greedy." Donald Trump

I am amazed at how many strange explanations you are willing to make in order for all of this dirt to make some kind of sense.