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"Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostLet me be VERY clear - there is a WHOLE LOT of "not good" about Trump, and, as I have said repeatedly, I voted 'for' him so that...
A) Hillary would not be POTUS
2) SCOTUS would not be Hillary's
Trump was the lesser of two evils, in my opinion.
Clear enough?“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostYeah but Cow Poke, Trump became the pick of the Republicans. That didn't happen by accident. I have a hard time buying the idea that the majority of conservatives wanted some other guy. I think most conservatives were excited by and wanted Trump.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThere was definitely a we want an outsider to shake things up factor involved. The same thing was happening among the Democrats with Sanders although he didn't stand a chance having to face rigged primaries and debates.
Conservatives picked and elected Trump. If Conservatives had wanted someone else, Trump wouldn't be president.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostYeah but Cow Poke, Trump became the pick of the Republicans. That didn't happen by accident. I have a hard time buying the idea that the majority of conservatives wanted some other guy. I think most conservatives were excited by and wanted Trump.
Now, I have far fewer qualms than many of the people here about having voted for him. He goes too far, but I prefer that to the typical polite nerd who gets steamrolled.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostI don't think "most" wanted him. I don't know anyone that had him as first choice.
Maybe not your first pick. Or Cow Poke's first pick. But most of the conservatives out there wanted him over any other guy out there.
The facts are the facts. Lets not pretend that conservatives simply picked "Not Hillary". They also, largely, picked "Not Cruz", "Not Rubio", "Not Kasich"...
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostLets just put the facts on the table. These are the results of the primaries. Blue is Trump, yellow is Ted Cruz. Most conservatives wanted Trump. He did not win the primaries by accident. He was someone's first pick. Most conservatives, first pick.
Maybe not your first pick. Or Cow Poke's first pick. But most of the conservatives out there wanted him over any other guy out there.
The facts are the facts. Lets not pretend that conservatives simply picked "Not Hillary". They also, largely, picked "Not Cruz", "Not Rubio", "Not Kasich"...
I actually wanted Kasich. I was disappointed when Trump came out on top. I figured we had lost at that point.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostThis thread is about Pence's ideals. Did he acknowledge the grey reality before he himself had the chance to get more power?
It is a bit too convenient to have double standards and it makes a rather bad case for claiming he would show true leadership and provides moral guidance if he became president.
I have no problem with grey reality,
it is just that some poster are very reluctant to point to Trumps errors and lies. It seems they live in a black and white reality.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThere is less "not good" about Hillary than Trump IMO.
But, that aside, there were 17 Republican candidates for president how come you ended up with Trump?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo, you based your vote on the moral character of the candidates and you found Trump to be of a higher moral character than Clinton?throw me into the brer patchimpeach Trump.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by Charles View PostYou should read and understand Scripture.
You should practice actually answering questions instead of hiding behind scripture out of context!
Are you an adult?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostYeah but Cow Poke, Trump became the pick of the Republicans. That didn't happen by accident. I have a hard time buying the idea that the majority of conservatives wanted some other guy. I think most conservatives were excited by and wanted Trump.
A) Hillary would not be POTUS
2) SCOTUS would not be Hillary's
Trump was the lesser of two evils, in my opinion.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostLets just put the facts on the table. These are the results of the primaries. Blue is Trump, yellow is Ted Cruz. Most conservatives wanted Trump. He did not win the primaries by accident. He was someone's first pick. Most conservatives, first pick.
Maybe not your first pick. Or Cow Poke's first pick. But most of the conservatives out there wanted him over any other guy out there.
The facts are the facts. Lets not pretend that conservatives simply picked "Not Hillary". They also, largely, picked "Not Cruz", "Not Rubio", "Not Kasich"...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostYou should read and understand Scripture.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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