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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI have. Try reading the thread."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostI did. It was just that it doesn't help you much or make us any the wiser that you just conclude that what I have got is an opinion. You are stating the obvious instead of having a discussion.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Chuckles View Post"Leaders affect the lives of families far beyond their own 'private life'. In the Bible story of Esther we are told of a king who was charged to put right his own household because there would be 'no end of disrespect and discord' among the families of the kingdom if he failed to do so. In a day when reckless extramarital sexual activity is manifesting itself in our staggering rates of illegitimacy and divorce, now more than ever, America needs to be able to look to her First Family as role models of all that we have been and can be again." Mike Pence
As you may have guessed this was written before Trump became the president.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/06/p...mns/index.htmlSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Idiotic Missile View PostRightly so. If you can't be alone in a room with a woman besides your wife, your morals and marriage are dangling by a thread.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI agree with Pence, but I suspect he's also practical. If I made it my goal to only work with saints then I would have been unemployed decades ago. Even working for a church for 11-years didn't shield me from liars and hypocrites.
In a day when reckless extramarital sexual activity is manifesting itself in our staggering rates of illegitimacy and divorce, now more than ever, America needs to be able to look to her First Family as role models of all that we have been and can be again.
Supporting a man who has been married three times and had relations to porn stars while being married as the role model of all that we have been and can be again?
Supporting a man who said: "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p….. You can do anything."
Supporting a man who said: “If Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her”
Do you still think this is only being “pracitical”. If you do could you please explain what the difference between a hypocrite and a practical man is? I mean, if it is so obvious that practically speaking there is nothing to it, then why would Pence say those words back then? Are they not supposed to mean anything? Nothing at all? Just an empty ideal with no practical implications?Last edited by Charles; 08-12-2018, 02:45 PM."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostEver hear of living above reproach and avoiding even the appearance of evil?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostOk. So letÂs see if I got you correct. You agree with Pence when he said (among other things):
Then you suspect he is also what you call “practical”. Let’s take a look into what seems to be implied by being practical in this context:
Supporting a man who has been married three times and had relations to porn stars while being married as the role model of all that we have been and can be again?
Supporting a man who said: "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p….. You can do anything."
Supporting a man who said: “If Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her”
Do you still think this is only being “pracitical”. If you do could you please explain what the difference between a hypocrite and a practical man is? I mean, if it is so obvious that practically speaking there is nothing to it, then why would Pence say those words back then? Are they not supposed to mean anything? Nothing at all? Just an empty ideal with no practical implications?
A) Hillary would still not be POTUS
2) POTUS would not be Hillary'sThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt could well be - and it seems totally reasonable - that Pence is biding his time to step into the Presidency as a much better answer than Trump.
A) Hillary would still not be POTUS
2) POTUS would not be Hillary's
I have a hard time seeing anybody's vice president successfully running as a distinct alternative to that person."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Chuckles View PostOk. So let's see if I got you correct. You agree with Pence when he said (among other things):
Then you suspect he is also what you call “practical”. Let’s take a look into what seems to be implied by being practical in this context:
Supporting a man who has been married three times and had relations to porn stars while being married as the role model of all that we have been and can be again?
Supporting a man who said: "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p….. You can do anything."
Supporting a man who said: “If Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her”
Do you still think this is only being “pracitical”. If you do could you please explain what the difference between a hypocrite and a practical man is? I mean, if it is so obvious that practically speaking there is nothing to it, then why would Pence say those words back then? Are they not supposed to mean anything? Nothing at all? Just an empty ideal with no practical implications?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostShow me where Pence has explicitly supported Trump's immorality. Working with or for someone does not imply that you support everything they do and say. Case in point, many of my coworkers swear, drink, and smoke and hit on women when they're out on the road, even some of the attached and married guys. I don't, and I hope that my example can be a positive influence in their lives and a reflection of Christ. I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Pence operates with the same attitude.
In a day when reckless extramarital sexual activity is manifesting itself in our staggering rates of illegitimacy and divorce, now more than ever, America needs to be able to look to her First Family as role models of all that we have been and can be again.Last edited by Charles; 08-12-2018, 03:35 PM."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostDo you mean stepping in in the event that Trump is, well, unable to complete his term, or running for election six years from now? (Six because Pence is obviously not going to run in the primary this time )
I have a hard time seeing anybody's vice president successfully running as a distinct alternative to that person.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostIt appears you missed the point. Pence said we need a president who could be a role model:
After having said that somehow he still finds that the thrice married porn star obsessed Trump is fit to be president. He sees no stop sign, it appears. So the words meant nothing at all in practical matters, am I right.
He sat on the high horse but in the real world, in practical matters, it did not mean anything at all, right?
And did he explicitly say a man like Trump was not fit to be the role model of all we have been and can be again? Nope. I have never said he explicitly supported Trumps immorality. But we all know he did not see it as a stop sign.
The words meant nothing at all when they were to be directed against an administration of which he was a part, it seems.
It makes a good case for him to provide moral guidance some seem to think. They should look for something more lasting to base their principles on because what they have got now will eventually fall apart.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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While we can all share our different opinions why not give the word to Trump himself:
"You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of a..""Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, in your world, Pence can't hold himself to a high standard, and stand patiently in line should the opportunity to be that leader present itself?
"The point is, you can never be too greedy." Donald Trump"Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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