Immigration and Stephen Miller

[Mountain Man]

That was how I read the comic.

You boys are a bit dense, ain't ya?

[Sparko]

That was how I read the comic. That reading is reinforced by the final picture of the character holding a history book, implying that the previous statement they made is indeed accurate history and that the other character is historically ignorant.

IMO the comic is just really badly written and not at all funny. Even if your explanation of what the joke is supposed to be is true, which I am not at all convinced of, it still seems like a very bad comic.

wow. Maybe it is a New Zealand thing? But it is pretty obvious that the guy is being sarcastic because liberals claiming that the immigration camps are like the jewish concentration camps is ridiculous because it would imply that the jews were trying to sneak into Germany, which they obviously were not. The Mexicans are trying to sneak into the USA and being stopped. Nothing like the concentration camps. The cartoon is pointing that out using sarcasm.

[carpedm9587]

Um... yes, that was the point, that the Jews didn't immigrate into Germany during World War II and instead were leaving it, which therefore refuted the comparison that was being made. The claim in the comic that they immigrated into Germany was clearly meant sarcastically even in the comic itself.

For reference for those who don't want to dig back into it, this is the comic post in question:

I'm very confused as to how you could read that comic and somehow come away with the idea it was actually saying that the Jews were immigrating into Germany during World War II. The whole joke is that that claim wasn't true.

Actually - I missed the sarcasm completely.

Brainfart, I guess. My apologies to the poster.

[carpedm9587]

I said I expect, but you could always surprise me!

Based on past experience, it's doubtful. It does not appear to matter what I post. So I'll pass. I did, however, read the articles. Again, thanks for the links.

[carpedm9587]

If that were really true, Carp, you wouldn't have felt the need to call me out on this.

[Sparko]

Based on past experience, it's doubtful. It does not appear to matter what I post. So I'll pass. I did, however, read the articles. Again, thanks for the links.

well considering you misread the joke, your resultant skepticism about what liberals have been saying is understandable.

[rogue06]

That was how I read the comic. That reading is reinforced by the final picture of the character holding a history book, implying that the previous statement they made is indeed accurate history and that the other character is historically ignorant.

IMO the comic is just really badly written and not at all funny. Even if your explanation of what the joke is supposed to be is true, which I am not at all convinced of, it still seems like a very bad comic.

Yeah, nobody was punching someone in the face for disagreeing with them which is what you like.

[Starlight]

Yeah, nobody was punching someone in the face for disagreeing with them which is what you like.

~punches rogue in the face through the internet~

[Starlight]

Maybe it is a New Zealand thing?

Hmm, yeah, we're pretty frequent users of sarcasm here and have a bit of a culture of it, whereas a lot of parts of America are infamously bad at not understanding/using sarcasm. So it's possible that the comic author is ham-fistedly trying to use the notion of sarcasm that he's heard is a thing and messing it up.

But it is pretty obvious that the guy is being sarcastic

It's really not. The character says to try reading a history book, he's being serious. It's possible the comic author is trying to mock the conservative character's complete misunderstanding of history and false belief that he is historically correct.

because liberals claiming that the immigration camps are like the jewish concentration camps is ridiculous because it would imply that the jews were trying to sneak into Germany

That seems a stupid claim. An analogy is based on similarities between a few features. It is not somehow rendered wrong or false just because you can find features that are dissimilar. This seems worth stressing because conservative posters in this forum seem to frequently commit this error. If all of the features of the two things were the same, they would be identical and would be one and the same thing, so of course there are some differences between them. An analogy is saying they have a few similar features. Pointing out a couple of dissimilarities is not necessarily relevant.


P.S. Oh, I see. So the conservative character (and presumably the conservative comic author) are making exactly that error. They think that by pointing out a single dissimilarity in an analogy they are somehow nailing it and think they are saying something relevant that legitimately disproves the liberal's point. (When the reality is that they are giving a bit of a non-sequitur, but the comic author is making this mistake himself and we are not meant to notice this is a stupid response by the conservative character) So by sarcastically pointing out a single point of dissimilarity the conservative character / comic author thinks they have really wrecked the liberal's view (as opposed to having made an irrelevant statement), and the last panel is rubbing it in with a "boom, if you knew anything about history you wouldn't make such analogies because they're not perfect ones". Okay, I guess that makes sense in the framework where one buys into that general logical error.

[Sparko]

Hmm, yeah, we're pretty frequent users of sarcasm here and have a bit of a culture of it, whereas a lot of parts of America are infamously bad at not understanding/using sarcasm. So it's possible that the comic author is ham-fistedly trying to use the notion of sarcasm that he's heard is a thing and messing it up.

It's really not. The character says to try reading a history book, he's being serious. It's possible the comic author is trying to mock the conservative character's complete misunderstanding of history and false belief that he is historically correct.

That seems a stupid claim. An analogy is based on similarities between a few features. It is not somehow rendered wrong or false just because you can find features that are dissimilar. This seems worth stressing because conservative posters in this forum seem to frequently commit this error. If all of the features of the two things were the same, they would be identical and would be one and the same thing, so of course there are some differences between them. An analogy is saying they have a few similar features. Pointing out a couple of dissimilarities is not necessarily relevant.


P.S. Oh, I see. So the conservative character (and presumably the conservative comic author) are making exactly that error. They think that by pointing out a single dissimilarity in an analogy they are somehow nailing it and think they are saying something relevant that legitimately disproves the liberal's point. (When the reality is that they are giving a bit of a non-sequitur, but the comic author is making this mistake himself and we are not meant to notice this is a stupid response by the conservative character) So by sarcastically pointing out a single point of dissimilarity the conservative character / comic author thinks they have really wrecked the liberal's view (as opposed to having made an irrelevant statement), and the last panel is rubbing it in with a "boom, if you knew anything about history you wouldn't make such analogies because they're not perfect ones". Okay, I guess that makes sense in the framework where one buys into that general logical error.

wow, either you are the worst person in the world at understanding a joke, or you are so desperate to avoid admitting you read a comic wrong that you will go to extreme lengths to rationalize your complete idiocy while accomplishing the exact opposite.

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[Cow Poke]

Hmm, yeah, we're pretty frequent users of sarcasm here and have a bit of a culture of it, whereas a lot of parts of America are infamously bad at not understanding/using sarcasm.

Got all this from your completely unbiased "reliable source", did ya?

[One Bad Pig]

Hmm, yeah, we're pretty frequent users of sarcasm here and have a bit of a culture of it, whereas a lot of parts of America are infamously bad at not understanding/using sarcasm. So it's possible that the comic author is ham-fistedly trying to use the notion of sarcasm that he's heard is a thing and messing it up.

Yeah, that totally explains why we all understood the sarcasm and you completely missed it.

Maybe you should stop digging, now that you've belatedly realized you're in a hole.