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  • #16
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    Last edited by DesertBerean; 08-15-2018, 11:14 AM.
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      Yes, it is pure evil. I think a lot of it has to do with Rome's requirement that priests be celibate. Until homosexuality became mainstream, closet homosexuals tended to become priests to avoid the stigma of remaining single. Several Catholic seminaries in the US have been notorious hotbeds of homosexuality for decades (e.g., Notre Dame has long been referred to as Notre Flame). Children are easier to coerce than adults, so they become the targets of forcibly repressed sexuality. Since Rome has long struggled with a shortage of priests, known abusers would be shuffled elsewhere rather than defrocked, as should have happened.
      I think that in many cases the RCC reacted much in the same way that schools did. For the most part they weren't aware that the pedophile priest was the predator that he was and this was just a case of misguided love that could be stopped by separating the priest and the child by sending the former away to a different area. All they did was send him to a new hunting ground.

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      • #18
        No comment from me on this one, only prayer.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
          No comment from me on this one, only prayer.
          I grew up in the Roman Church. This attitude was horrendously inadequate then and it remains so today.
          Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
          Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
          But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

          go with the flow the river knows . . .

          Frank

          I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post


            For people like that, when they are called to judgment, they will likely wish that a millstone had been tied about their neck and thrown into the sea.
            The priests know the theory. That they are not persuaded by it is interesting. These sorts of threats are for giving a person of authority control of someone else. It works well on the kiddies.
            “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
            “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
            “not all there” - you know who you are

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            • #21
              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
              What you said was "the Catholic church" worships a false god. That refers to everybody in the church.
              And who is the head of the Catholic Church?

              Maybe there are Catholics who don't worship the Pope and hang on his every pronouncement like it's the Word of God, or kneel and pray to statues of dead saints, or seek guidance from the Virgin Mary, but then one would wonder why they're Catholics at all since those acts are pretty central to Catholicism.
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • #22
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                I think that in many cases the RCC reacted much in the same way that schools did. For the most part they weren't aware that the pedophile priest was the predator that he was and this was just a case of misguided love that could be stopped by separating the priest and the child by sending the former away to a different area. All they did was send him to a new hunting ground.
                That's possible. Such a major moral failing should have resulted in defrocking, regardless.
                Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  And who is the head of the Catholic Church?

                  Maybe there are Catholics who don't worship the Pope and hang on his every pronouncement like it's the Word of God, or kneel and pray to statues of dead saints, or seek guidance from the Virgin Mary, but then one would wonder why they're Catholics at all since those acts are pretty central to Catholicism.
                  Even the pope, as the leader of the Roman Catholic Church, is only seen as the vicar of Christ, not Christ Himself - so he's not worshipped. And much as I disagree with the concept of papal infallibility, the doctrine is carefully delimited and Catholics hardly "hang on his every pronouncement like it's the Word of God".
                  Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                  Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    That's possible. Such a major moral failing should have resulted in defrocking, regardless.
                    Absolutely.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      And who is the head of the Catholic Church?

                      Maybe there are Catholics who don't worship the Pope and hang on his every pronouncement like it's the Word of God, or kneel and pray to statues of dead saints, or seek guidance from the Virgin Mary, but then one would wonder why they're Catholics at all since those acts are pretty central to Catholicism.
                      1. We do not worship the Pope
                      2. We do not pray to statues of the Saints, or of anyone.
                      3. That comment about the BVM verges on a *suggestio falsi*.

                      We are Catholics because we are Christians, and because the Catholic vision of reality is Christ-centred. People may well not articulate things like that, but it is to Christ that reverence for the Pope & veneration of the Saints is a response.

                      Who is the Head of the CC ? Jesus Christ. He is the only Head of Church and all States alike, because His Kingdom is universal. The US is ruled primarily by Christ - POTUSes are only His deputies, if they but knew it. All earthly rulers rule only by His permission, and as His deputies, since “all authority in Heaven and Earth” belongs to Him. The Popes are His Vicars, and are ministerial heads of His Church, on the same principle.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        I was referring mainly to the Pope who they claim speaks for God yet says so many things that contradict the Bible.
                        That argument can be used against Protestants as well, including Evangelicals. Where is there a NT list of the NT books ? There is nothing in the NT to say that those books are

                        Holy
                        Scripture
                        27 in number
                        identified by name
                        God-breathed
                        canonical
                        with all their parts
                        to be read for all time to come
                        throughout the whole Church

                        - yet Evangelicals accept and defend all these propositions. Despite the silence of the NT about all of them. Evangelicalism relies on Sacred Tradition as truly - though not as completely - as the CC does.
                        Last edited by Rushing Jaws; 08-15-2018, 02:01 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Rushing Jaws View Post
                          ...yet Evangelicals accept and defend all these propositions. Despite the silence of the NT about all of them. Evangelicalism relies on Sacred Tradition as truly - though not as completely - as the CC does.
                          One can accept the historical validity of the New Testament books, without accepting the authority of a Pope, or the Assumption of Mary, her sinlessness, or perpetual virginity or Immaculate Conception .
                          Last edited by seer; 08-15-2018, 02:12 PM.
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by seer View Post
                            What the freak happened to the Catholic Church! Pure evil...
                            This is akin to the "VA" discussion in another thread. The situation is abhorrent, and the people responsible (as well as though who protected them) need to be held to account (and then some). But it is not just to impugn an entire church of people on the basis of the actions of a comparative few. Several thousand people have now been implicated. There are an estimated 1.2 billion catholics in the world. They are not all "pure evil."
                            The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                            I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                              What you said was "the Catholic church" worships a false god. That refers to everybody in the church.
                              I've been trying to make that case in another thread as well. Good luck.

                              Apparently, there is no distinction to be made between a comparative few bad apples and the entire orchard...
                              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                                I've been trying to make that case in another thread as well. Good luck.

                                Apparently, there is no distinction to be made between a comparative few bad apples and the entire orchard...
                                To be somewhat fair, the RCC has been considered to be an entirely bad orchard by some for going on 500 years now.
                                Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                                Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                                I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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