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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostWhy didn't they tell the perps in confession that penance would be to turn themselves in to the authorities?Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostOh crap, Roy and I agreed on something. The end is nigh.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostOh crap, Roy and I agreed on something. The end is nigh.
Yup. Pretty much.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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Originally posted by Roy View PostThis.
Far more of the cases that have been uncovered occurred after the church superiors were aware of the offenders than occurred before the church superiors knew. If reports of abuse were handled immediately or reported to secular authorities, rather than by being ignored or by moving the offenders to new dioceses, the scale of the problem would be a small fraction of what it is now.
Those church superiors who fail to report offenders and continue to allow them access no new victims should be charged with aiding and abetting.
There is a shady underbelly to these issues that is a real shame. But as of yet there is no concerted effort from the tops of the various leadership hierarchies to expose and purge the problems from within (of those with such hierarchies). For the more independent congregations with loose hierarchies or no hierarchy, its still rare that it doesn't become a secreted scandal*.
Jim
*and if one looks at what happens when it is not secreted, one can understand why those in charge want to bury it. It's usually a very big mess.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 08-16-2018, 01:43 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by seer View PostOne can accept the historical validity of the New Testament books, without accepting the authority of a Pope, or the Assumption of Mary, her sinlessness, or perpetual virginity or Immaculate Conception .Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostExactly. The Biblical canon is a fact of history and not something dictated to us by a men.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostIf you think a central tenet of Catholicism is to "worship" the Pope, then you know nothing about Catholicism.
I suppose you can argue that's not "worship" as such, but it's dangerously unbiblical veneration of a sinful man.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostDoesn't matter where it originated, the sinlessness of Mary/perpetual virginity is heresy and a blatant contradiction of scripture.
In any case, this is a discussion for another thread.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostDoesn't matter where it originated, the sinlessness of Mary/perpetual virginity is heresy and a blatant contradiction of scripture."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat the freak happened to the Catholic Church! Pure evil...
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostDoesn't matter where it originated, the sinlessness of Mary/perpetual virginity is heresy and a blatant contradiction of scripture.
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhy is he referred to as holy when scripture is explicit that only God can be referred to as such?
Christians took to calling each other holy ones, or as we would say it, 'saints'.
If the Church is the holy people of God, it seems hardly inappropriate to call the head of the Church by that title.
And why do people ask him to forgive their sins when the Bible is clear that only God can forgive?
Again, hardly unbiblical.
I suppose you can argue that's not "worship" as such,Last edited by Leonhard; 08-16-2018, 03:35 PM.
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