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    So Easy To Be An Atheist!

    I mean what is not to like, you get to make up your own moral code, live by it, then claim to be virtuous.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    I mean what is not to like, you get to make up your own moral code, live by it, then claim to be virtuous.
    You’re just trying to provoke them, which is dishonest because you’re pretending to be interested in an honest convo.

    I think it’s equally miserable being either, frankly. If you’re a theist, you’re just as likely to be judged for not living virtuously by fellow believers. If you’re an atheist, you have to deal with believers with misapprehensions about how the world works (earth age, evolution, climate change). Theists might have a slight edge on the easiness of life because of the refuge of certainty, but infighting about doctrine and required behaviors (e.g., Sharia law, sabbath) could chafe at one’s existential comfort depending on how much you let your fellow adherents get to you.

    It’s not easy for any of us, believer, unbeliever, or agnostic. Life’s tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    I mean what is not to like, you get to make up your own moral code, live by it, then claim to be virtuous.
    I think that is very wide of the mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    I mean what is not to like, you get to make up your own moral code, live by it, then claim to be virtuous.
    Individuals do not determine codes of morals and ethics, because cultures and societies determine the morals and ethics. As far as humanists, agnostics and atheists go, the Humanist Manifesto is the only code of ethics and morals that would represent these belief systems. The Common Law history represents the evolution of humanist morals and ethics as applied to legal systems in the Western world.
    Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-16-2018 at 02:51 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    I mean what is not to like, you get to make up your own moral code, live by it, then claim to be virtuous.
    Ah, the self-assured hubris of the modern Evangelical. Sad!

    Nobody, except psychopaths, makes up their own moral code. One’s morality is determined by the prevailing social mores of the community of which one is a part, whether Secular, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or Hindu...or subgroups within these categories.

    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    The Common Law history represents the evolution of humanist morals and ethics as applied to legal systems in the Western world.
    It also represents the evolution of religion-based morals and ethics.
    Last edited by Tassman; 08-16-2018 at 09:41 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whag View Post
    I think it’s equally miserable being either, frankly. If you’re a theist, you’re just as likely to be judged for not living virtuously by fellow believers.
    I'm not claiming that I live virtuously, just the opposite in light of New Testament moral principles. My point, if one is a devout believer he has an objective or universal standard to live up to. The atheist has no such standard. It would be perfectly rational for him or her to reject any moral code that he is having difficultly living up to and lower the bar so that the new goal in within reach.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    Ah, the self-assured hubris of the modern Evangelical. Sad!

    Nobody, except psychopaths, makes up their own moral code. One’s morality is determined by the prevailing social mores of the community of which one is a part, whether Secular, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or Hindu...or subgroups within these categories.
    I'm not saying that one goes around killing, but why not change your moral code as you see fit? Lower the bar? If you have ethical ideals that are beyond your reach, why not just change those ideals so that they are easily reached? For instance, you would like to be kind and generous to all men, but you just can't find it in you to do so, well lower the standard to a reachable goal - say just to some men who reciprocate. It would be perfectly rational for the atheist to do this.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    I'm not claiming that I live virtuously, just the opposite in light of New Testament moral principles. My point, if one is a devout believer he has an objective or universal standard to live up to.
    No, your point was to provoke by saying atheists are atheists so they can skate through life worry free. The title is literally “How easy it is to be an atheist.”

    Quote Originally Posted by seer
    The atheist has no such standard. It would be perfectly rational for him or her to reject any moral code that he is having difficultly living up to and lower the bar so that the new goal in within reach.
    Unless you’re talking about something different than the 10 commandments, I don;t know what your talking about. It’s pretty easy for me to not lie, steal, and commit adultery. I don’t rest on the sabbath, but neither do most Christians.

    Going back to easiness, which standard is so difficult for you to follow? Can you be more specific rather than provocative?

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