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Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIt would be no surprise if the Russians favored Trump
in that their goal was to support underdogs and stir up dissatisfaction. I doubt that they expected Trump to win.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIf Charles didn't have personal attacks to draw upon, his quiver would be nearly empty. Every once in a while, he actually posts something substantive, but he's mostly here to snipe from the sidelines (and only against one team). He's been so consistent at it that he's mostly reduced his impact to background noise."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostThat is actually exactly how the fallacy works. You gave some explanations which is why I did not say you commited the falacy, only that you were close.
Nope. And this is not important for the point I made.
And where did I say I did not accept that?That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by JimL View PostDuh! What happened to that superior knowledge of yours?That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Charles View PostI am glad you at lest find some of it substantive. This is not meant as an angry reply (though it may sound that way) but I actually find that some of your posts are interesting too. If you have noticed I even amen'ed some of your post (and that was not an error).Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostIn DIRECT RESPONSE to the accusation that Trump told them in the campaign speech to do so. They never hacked her server in response to Trump's joke because it was not online any longer.
Perhaps in a vacuum, but not in response to a question, unless you are expecting me to restate the question before providing responses?
Not when asked about a specific speech.
The initial claim did so for me.
While I agree with you on the very high probability, her having it wiped removed all evidence of certainty. The original claim though specifically called out Trump's joke as a real threat - as if it were possible to hack a decommissioned and disassembled server. THAT is the extent of my rebuttal.
(e.g. "you dolt, not only wan't it hacked after, it was NEVER hacked")
So I responded to what you said.
However, it is also quite likely you meant exactly what you say here and simply misspoke, and I take you at your word that you meant in the "Never" the sense of the time frame after Trumps request even though you specified a universal term.
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There is another issue here. I have been accused many, many times by several posters of attempting to read minds - of trying to 'know what they meant' even though based on the context my conclusion was quite reasonable.
And so now I am being chastised for not 'Knowing what you meant' and factoring that assumption into my response?
You (The collective you of TWEB itself) can't have it both ways. Either you excuse a person for responding to what was said and not what was implied and accept responsibility for being imprecise, or you excuse/give the benefit of the doubt to a person for misunderstanding the assumptions behind their conclusion about what was said.
I think the least contestuous road is the one I'm now on. To take your words as they are written. Then at least nefarious motives can't be ascribed to the 'misunderstanding of the assumptions'.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 08-20-2018, 10:12 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostI'm baiting you, stupid. Name the accounts that were hacked so I can show their irrelevance to her defunct email server and show once again what an ignorant tool you are...Last edited by JimL; 08-20-2018, 10:19 AM.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostSo, any time an expert speaks on their field of expertise, they are "close" to the fallacy
Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostYour point was strange. At what point can ANYONE speak and not be "close" to the fallacy then?
Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostIn badgering me over my statement that this is my career and I know what the DoD practices for that reason."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostThis is a great example of the lack of self reflection. You only point your fingers at the others. Is that a good Christian principle?
hypocrisy ever bother you Chuck?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSince you seem to realize now that the were many accounts associated with Hillary's account, and that the Russians hacked them just hours after Trumps request, then just explain how they are irrelevant.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Charles View PostNo. Look at my response to the last quote.
If you look up the fallacy I am sure you will get the point. You are not close to it when you actually provide evidence, reasons and facts. If you only point to the "I am an expert" thing as a reason to believe you, you are close to the fallacy. Speaking of which:
I was not badgering you over that statement. I was just pointing out that it cannot in and of itself prove you right. Try to read your own posts again and see the expert attitude and you calling other "idiots" and you may get the point.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostWhat moral corruption seeks to justify their own sin by pointing at the sin of others?
"Well Johnny stole Sarah's apple, so why are you punishing me for stealing Nancy's apple?"
You are condeming your own Christian brothers as supporting sin because you don't like Trump. Yet what sins are we supporting? And you ignore the plank in your own eye by supporting the Democrats who push Abortion on demand, legitimizing gay marriage, taking prayer out of school, removing the 10 commandments from any public display, and generally trying to wipe out Christianity. That doesn't bother you, but because we voted for Trump we are condemned? Get off your high horse and look around at who you are supporting, Jim.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSays the guy who n the same breath where he is pointing fingers at Christians and questioning whether they really were Christians. Does your
hypocrisy ever bother you Chuck?"Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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