Why is San Francisco ... covered in POOP?

[Cow Poke]

OK, I changed the title just for mossy

Why is San Francisco ... covered in human feces?




One of the "solutions" is to force small businesses to drop the "restroom for customers only" policy.

[rogue06]

They even have apps listing particular, um, poopy (or is it poopie?), areas to avoid.

[seer]

Why is San Francisco ... covered in human feces?

Because they don't arrest and jail people who do this.

[Psychic Missile]

Because they don't arrest and jail people who do this.

"Imprison the homeless." - Seer, a Christian

[JimL]

Because they don't arrest and jail people who do this.

At least then they would have access to a bathroom and a place to sleep.

[Leonhard]

Because they don't arrest and jail people who do this.

There is no evidence to suggest that arresting homeless people would work. We've had this conversation before.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post560728

I'll repost Teal's response to you.

Well I certainly think that more law enforcement would go a long way in San Francisco. Don't you?

That was not what you seemed to argue, Seer - you're post seemed to be saying that if you just arrest everyone, the problem goes away. Not having a job and not being able to afford a place to live - neither of those are crimes nor should they be. Anti-vagrancy laws alone only shuffle the problem around - there were homeless, they just got shipped elsewhere so you didn't have to see them.

Law enforcement is one of the tools that do need application, yes - but San Fran's existing laws would literally make that impossible anyway.

But at $37,000 per person, there's no way that they should be on the streets - heck, you could literally move them to a lower CoL area and pay for more than two year's rent. Add a third and just outright buy a house.

[Leonhard]

They even have apps listing particular, um, poopy (or is it poopie?), areas to avoid.

Are there really more than that one joke app that developer did for a hackathon, and which conservatives have been reporting as if its a genuine app ever since?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/...ng-or-a-rumor/

[rogue06]

Are there really more than that one joke app that developer did for a hackathon, and which conservatives have been reporting as if its a genuine app ever since?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/...ng-or-a-rumor/

Could it be what was originally meant as a joke started becoming a useful tool as the problem got increasingly worse?

[rogue06]

There is no evidence to suggest that arresting homeless people would work. We've had this conversation before.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post560728

I'll repost Teal's response to you.

There has to be a middle ground between the current policy and simply locking them up.

[Leonhard]

Could it be what was originally meant as a joke started becoming a useful tool as the problem got increasingly worse?

See that's an interesting question, though it doesn't appear to be one that conservative journalists have been interesting in exploring (unsurprisingly), at any rate I thought I'd inject that there's only one app. Its not an official app. Its a joke app, made by a person at a hackathon.

http://mochimachine.org/wasteland/

[rogue06]

See that's an interesting question, though it doesn't appear to be one that conservative journalists have been interesting in exploring (unsurprisingly), at any rate I thought I'd inject that there's only one app. Its not an official app. Its a joke app, made by a person at a hackathon.

http://mochimachine.org/wasteland/

Again, what started as a joke app might now be regarded as a serious tool by many residents as the problem keeps getting worse. I'd be interested in seeing if there has been an increase in the number of people downloading it.

[Leonhard]

Again, what started as a joke app might now be regarded as a serious tool by many residents as the problem keeps getting worse. I'd be interested in seeing if there has been an increase in the number of people downloading it.

See, why aren't journalists doing that kind of work to make sure their news are correct?

The dataset is three years old and hasn't changed since then. I literally can't find anyone discussing or promoting it, or any references to linking to in any useful way either on Twitter or Reddit, or anywhere else. The only who is discussing is are conservatives news sources or commentators like Rush Limbaugh who's falsely claiming that its an official city app, or even that maps are handed out on streets etc.

[seer]

"Imprison the homeless." - Seer, a Christian

Well no I would have you arrested too if you were pooping on the street, homeless or not. And if you kept doing it you should get jail time. Never mind the fact, having done prison ministry for a number of years, jail can be the only time they get clean (off of drugs/booze) three hot meals, a bed and health care.

[Sparko]

The city could just put up pota-potties around the city.

[seer]

The city could just put up pota-potties around the city.

What I don't get is where were these homeless numbers 20 - 30 years ago? We never had homeless camps in my town until about five years ago, now we have a number of them. What has changed?