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Is Islam Inherently Violent?

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  • Is Islam Inherently Violent?

    Is Islam inherently violent? I was wondering because some people say that Islamic teaching promotes committing acts of violence towards others. Other people say that when people commit acts of violence in the name of Islam, they are not accurately representing what Islam teaches. Moreover, they say that radical Islam misrepresents what Islam teaches.

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    No, it is not. I recommend a book entitled:
    Who Speaks For Islam?: What a Billion Muslims Really Think
    Link
    Last edited by kiwimac; 08-20-2018, 02:31 AM.
    "Obama is not a brown-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You are thinking of Jesus." Episcopal Bishop of Arizona

    I remember WinAce. Gone but not forgotten.

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    • #3
      There is no single unified Islam. There are several branched off versions as different from each other as the Catholic Church is from the Southern Baptist Seminar.

      So it depends.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
        There is no single unified Islam. There are several branched off versions as different from each other as the Catholic Church is from the Southern Baptist Seminar.

        So it depends.
        True, but nearly all of them including the Sunni and Shia which compose well over 90% of all Muslims do advocate the use of force to spread their religion as did the founder of Islam.

        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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        • #5
          That is how it started out. Mohammad started Islam by attacking caravans and converting people at the point of a sword. Seems like little has changed since then.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hornet View Post
            Is Islam inherently violent? I was wondering because some people say that Islamic teaching promotes committing acts of violence towards others. Other people say that when people commit acts of violence in the name of Islam, they are not accurately representing what Islam teaches. Moreover, they say that radical Islam misrepresents what Islam teaches.
            Yes, Islam itself is violent, even though a very large percentage of Muslims are non-violent.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hornet View Post
              Is Islam inherently violent? I was wondering because some people say that Islamic teaching promotes committing acts of violence towards others. Other people say that when people commit acts of violence in the name of Islam, they are not accurately representing what Islam teaches. Moreover, they say that radical Islam misrepresents what Islam teaches.
              No more more nor less than Judaism and Christianity in history.
              Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
              Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
              But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

              go with the flow the river knows . . .

              Frank

              I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by kiwimac View Post
                No, it is not. I recommend a book entitled:

                Link
                Thank you for the link to the book. I'll check out the book.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                  There is no single unified Islam. There are several branched off versions as different from each other as the Catholic Church is from the Southern Baptist Seminar.

                  So it depends.
                  he following are quotes from the Koran with the URL to those quotes. How would different versions of Islam interpret them?

                  https://quran.com/4/76-86
                  "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak."

                  https://quran.com/9/29-39
                  "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    True, but nearly all of them including the Sunni and Shia which compose well over 90% of all Muslims do advocate the use of force to spread their religion as did the founder of Islam.
                    You can of course back this up?
                    "Obama is not a brown-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You are thinking of Jesus." Episcopal Bishop of Arizona

                    I remember WinAce. Gone but not forgotten.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kiwimac View Post
                      You can of course back this up?
                      Have you ever read the Qur'an or the Hadiths? Do you realize that the earlier passages calling for peace were later abrogated by those calling for conversion by the sword?

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        Have you ever read the Qur'an or the Hadiths? Do you realize that the earlier passages calling for peace were later abrogated by those calling for conversion by the sword?
                        I have read both many times. The abrogation of verses is an opinion held by some but not by all.
                        Muslim exegetes and jurists disagree over which and how many ahadith and verses of the Quran are recognized as abrogated,[10][11] with estimates varying from less than ten to over 500.[12][13]
                        Note 10:Jane McAuliffe; Barry Walfish; Joseph Goering (2010). With reverence for the word : medieval scriptural exegesis in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. New York Oxford: Oxford University Press. pp. 448–450. ISBN 978-0-19-975575-2.

                        11:David S. Powers (Sept 1982), On the Abrogation of the Bequest Verses, Journal: Arabica, 29(3), Brill, pp. 246-247, 249-287

                        12: Fatoohi, Louay (2013). Abrogation in the Qur’an and Islamic Law. Routledge. p. 3. Retrieved 8 July 2018.

                        13: John Burton (1990), Islamic Theories of Abrogation, pp. 184-187, Edinburgh University Press, ISBN 0-7486-0108-2.

                        Source: Wikipedia

                        Further:
                        "Obama is not a brown-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You are thinking of Jesus." Episcopal Bishop of Arizona

                        I remember WinAce. Gone but not forgotten.

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                        • #13
                          Wikipedia!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kiwimac View Post
                            I have read both many times. The abrogation of verses is an opinion held by some but not by all.

                            Note 10:Jane McAuliffe; Barry Walfish; Joseph Goering (2010). With reverence for the word : medieval scriptural exegesis in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. New York Oxford: Oxford University Press. pp. 448–450. ISBN 978-0-19-975575-2.

                            11:David S. Powers (Sept 1982), On the Abrogation of the Bequest Verses, Journal: Arabica, 29(3), Brill, pp. 246-247, 249-287

                            12: Fatoohi, Louay (2013). Abrogation in the Qur’an and Islamic Law. Routledge. p. 3. Retrieved 8 July 2018.

                            13: John Burton (1990), Islamic Theories of Abrogation, pp. 184-187, Edinburgh University Press, ISBN 0-7486-0108-2.

                            Source: Wikipedia

                            Further:
                            From my understanding the one that is universally agreed to have abrogated earlier peaceful passages is surah 9:5 (Ayat al-Sayf or the Verse of the Sword).

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
                              Wikipedia!
                              Do feel free to show us where Wikipedia is incorrect.
                              "Obama is not a brown-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You are thinking of Jesus." Episcopal Bishop of Arizona

                              I remember WinAce. Gone but not forgotten.

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