Giuliani trumps 'alternative facts' with 'Truth isn't truth'

[Charles]

As if the idea about “alternative facts” was not enough we now find ourselves in a situation in which those seeking to defend Trump make statements like this:

"Truth isn't truth." Rudy Giuliani https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...acts-orwellian

What Giuliani appears to be suggesting is that if two versions of a story exist, we cannot seriously talk about what the true story is. This would have some very serious implications on basic logic since the law of non-contradiction would find no place in Giuliani-logic. This is a historic low point in the defence of Trump though it was bad enough already.

I think this is a rather obvious example of the “Fair is Foul, Foul is Fair” attitude. Instead of providing facts, evidence and good reasons, Giuliani appeals to relativism. The disrespect for objective truth seems to found at the root of this administration, its’ strategy and some of its’ supporters. And those in here and elsewhere who oppose relativism seem to be rather silent on this issue. One gets the impression that at the heart of it, they actually believe that "Truth isn't truth."

[Bill the Cat]

Rudy has lost it... and he doesn't speak for anyone but himself.

[Charles]

Rudy has lost it... and he doesn't speak for anyone but himself.

Thank you for showing so obviously that you don't care about the facts either. Giuliani is Trump's lawyer and speaks for him. That is a very simple fact for those of us who still believe in facts.

[rogue06]

Giuliani's entire legal career, after being a clerk, was as a prosecutor. I never understood why Trump thought that would therefore automatically translate into his being a good defense attorney.

[Mountain Man]

Eh, I get what Giuliani is getting at even if he worded it awkwardly. But this is politics where nobody is ever given the benefit of the doubt.

What Giuliani was attempting to say is that even if you're innocent, you don't hand prosecutors the rope to hang you with, because even telling the truth can get you into trouble.

For example:

"Do you know anything about who killed your neighbor?"
"I didn't shoot him if that's what you're asking."
"And how do you know he was shot? I never told you told you that."

Congratulations, you just became a suspect.

There is absolutely no compelling reason for Trump to voluntarily sit down for a conversation with Mueller.

[seer]

Rudy has lost it... and he doesn't speak for anyone but himself.

Friends don't let friends go on talk shows drunk....

[Charles]

Eh, I get what Giuliani is getting at even if he worded it awkwardly. But this is politics where nobody is ever given the benefit of the doubt.

What Giuliani was attempting to say is that even if you're innocent, you don't hand prosecutors the rope to hang you with, because even telling the truth can get you into trouble.

For example:

"Do you know anything about who killed your neighbor?"
"I didn't shoot him if that's what you're asking."
"And how do you know he was shot? I never told you told you that."

Congratulations, you just became a suspect.

There is absolutely no compelling reason for Trump to voluntarily sit down for a conversation with Mueller.

That was not the example I heard him use. Did he say anything along those lines or is this your best guess of what you would like to believe he really meant to say when he said 'Truth isn't truth'?

[Bill the Cat]

Thank you for showing so obviously that you don't care about the facts either. Giuliani is Trump's lawyer and speaks for him. That is a very simple fact for those of us who still believe in facts.

Of course I care about the facts. But Rudy is clearly not on his game.

[Charles]

Of course I care about the facts. But Rudy is clearly not on his game.

And yet he remains Trump's lawyer and speaks for him (though you said he did not speak for anyone but himself).

[One Bad Pig]

I like what you did with the thread title here. Clever.

[Sparko]

That was not the example I heard him use. Did he say anything along those lines or is this your best guess of what you would like to believe he really meant to say when he said 'Truth isn't truth'?

You basically posted a comedy clip video of various statements being made with no context. It has no meaning.

[Leonhard]

There was a time when all Giuliani said was a noun, a verb and 9/11. Now, apparently, he's settled for nonsense.

[Charles]

I like what you did with the thread title here. Clever.

Thanks. However it is not something I can take much credit for since it is based pretty much on the title in the article I refer to.